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jlf
fishoneeyed: see C-h f toggle-truncate-lines
fishoneeyed
ashawley: jlf: thx, i try now.
ashawley
jlf: delYsid could us delete-and-extract-region in that case
johnw
twb: ping
ashawley
.seen
birny
Usage: .seen NICK
johnw
anybody use nnmaildir here?
quotemstr
So BP's latest attempt to plug up the well didn't work.
johnw
BP?
oh
         

JordiGH
Plugger? I barely even know 'er!
johnw
at last, nnmaildir is semi-sane
boscop
is there already a keycombo that deletes all whitespace between point and the next !ws char?
johnw
M-\
or, C-x r d
err
delete-whitespace-rectangle
boscop
nice
johnw
that latter if you want to preserve whitespace to the left
JordiGH
So my first self-appointed task is to move the build system away from a mishmash of handwritten bash scripts and Makefiles into CMake.
johnw
M-SPC reduces all whitespace down to one
JordiGH
inb4 "your choice of build system sucks"
boscop
oh, good to know
JordiGH
johnw: Huh, that's bound to the window manager here.
(Action) disables it.
Ooh, this looks nice.
quotemstr: Your choice of build system sucks: http://freshmeat.net/articles/stop-the-autoconf-insanity-why-we-need-a-new-build-system
quotemstr
JordiGH: I've read that article.
It is garbage.
JordiGH
NO U
e1f
quotemstr: it's 5:30 now...what news?
quotemstr
e1f: I misread the email; it's 4PM Pacific time.
e1f
ah
damn those pacifics
jlf
let's plug the well with bp executives
e1f
were you worried when the phone didn't ring?
SirNick
jlf: I just submitted that bug, is there a way to view it somewhere to confirm it was sent?
jlf
i think it goes to a mailing list
         

Odin-
You know, I think Gnus is the most effective way to keep people from using emacs for mail that you could find. O_o
quotemstr
e1f: Of course.
e1f
Odin-: yeah. the only way gnus would become popular is if it came with a central mail server backend run by lars
Odin-
My thinking only extends to "wait, I need to do WHAT in order to read mail in emacs?" :p
legumbre_
,gnus 4
fsbot
legumbre_, I heard gnus is [0] an Emacs newsreader (and mailreader), see #gnus, <http://gnus.org/>, <http://emacswiki.org/wiki/CategoryGnus>
[1] proof that we are a wicked people who deserve to be punished,
[2] the punishment
jlf
,nognus
fsbot
NoGnus is, like, the name of the current alpha version of Gnus.
cvandusen
Is that Gnus without Gnus? Perfect!
SirNick
Is there somewhere else to report a bug besides through emacs itself? It doesn't seem to be sending the email...
jlf
SirNick: just send the mail manually to the address shown in r-e-b
cvandusen
and if duplicate emails are sent, you will be taken out back and shot.
SirNick
cvandusen: that's very unfortunate... I have no idea if the other one was sent or not
jlf
do you feel lucky SirNick?
cvandusen
I still walk with a limp...
jlf
</eastwood>
SirNick
jlf: no not really...
I probably managed to send this 10 times somehow
cvandusen
Good grief. You'll be lucky if RMS doesn't pull a Jay & Silent Bob Strikes Back on you.
fledermaus
,bts
fsbot
I think BTS is [0] short for "bug (and other issue) tracking system".
[1] http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/BugTrackingSystem,
[2] see bugtracker
JordiGH
cvandusen: Huh?
SirNick
Heh, hopefully it didn't sent at all yet... When sent it, emacs opened up my browser to a page that said it didn't exist... I should assume that means it wasn't sent, right?
jlf
lisppaste: help
cvandusen
JordiGH: "The film ends with Jay and Silent Bob spending their royalty money on finding everybody who expressed negative opinions about the movie and characters, ranging from kids to clergy, and traveling to their town to beat them up..."
jlf
fledermaus: lisppaste may still be +q.. a spammer was abusing it a while ago
fledermaus
hmm.
JordiGH
cvandusen: I get the impression that rms is pretty nonviolent.
fledermaus
he has a katana!
JordiGH
cvandusen: He might rub his underwear on your forehead, though.
fledermaus: Self defense only.
jlf
fledermaus: confirmed..test paste was not announced
tgunr
I know that this is a silly question, but I can't seem to find the answer googling around. if I'm in Emacs debugging a function which has been instrumented and single stepping through it to modify another buffer how can I see the point move in the target buffer as I step?
cvandusen
I'll take the ass kickin' before the forehead wipin'
lisppaste
jlf annotated #105697 "test2" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/105697#1
jlf
ty
chadz
anyone else have an issue with bold fonts being highlighted when using --daemon?
jlf
,,...
fsbot
[In the distance, you hear a dog bark]
jc3
Any devs in here using emacs-app on MacOSX?
jlf
,anyone
fsbot
Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with <some program or library>. Instead, ask your real question and someone will answer if they can help.
jc3
I get this when I load a ruby file...
File mode specification error: (file-error "Cannot open load file" "mode-compile")
ruby-mode was installed using elpa
JordiGH
,elpa
fsbot
I think elpa is [0] the Emacs Lisp Package Archive, an apt-like utility for elisp <http://tromey.com/elpa/index.html>
[1] maintained by tromey,
[2] at http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ELPA,
[3] promoted in this essay: http://dto.github.com/notebook/blog-2008-01-14-1205.html
JordiGH
Ah.
Yet another package manager.
chadz
pretty sure elpa is the main pacakge manager for emacs ^_^
JordiGH
chadz: apt here.
qDot_
That's integrated as of 24, right?
chadz
no. apt is for debian
elpa is for emacs
JordiGH
Debian is for everything.
Debian is for Emacs.
jlf
[citation needed]
JordiGH
ergo, apt is for Emacs.
chadz
sigh
qDot_: yeah, i think that was on the todo list
JordiGH
chadz: http://tinyurl.com/ct9sxs
jc3
guess the question comes down to: "how to install mode-compile.el on MacOSX?"
cvandusen
There should be a package manager called ergo.
jc3
preferably using macports. hoping it's a part of some port.
*port
jlf
mode-compile?
jc3
jlf: no match for mode-compile in macports
jlf
don't use macports to install emacs packages
,install
fsbot
install is, like, [0] To install a <file>.el, save it to, say ~/elisp
[1] add to the beginning of ~/.emacs: (add-to-list 'load-path "~/elisp"),
[2] now FOLLOW THE INSTALLATION INSTRUCTIONS IN THE FILE, typically adding (require '<file>) to the end of ~/.emacs, ..[Type ,more]
shabble
jc3: http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/ModeCompile
jlf
,modecompile
fsbot
jlf: hmm, ModeCompile is at http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ModeCompile
JordiGH
So there's elpa and there's rubygems and there's macports and there's fink and there's enough already.
jlf
you forgot cpan.pm
JordiGH
Well, fink is apt, guess that one would be tolerable, if only it had the geekpower of apt ackagers.
Fink is mostly neglected, iirc.
shabble
macports is pretty horrible, but it mostly works
JordiGH
jlf: And whatever Python eggs thing do, but I don't think that looks up in a central location.
jlf
i've somehow avoided needing to know about that so far praise bob
JordiGH
(Action) concludes that the biggest motivation to create a new language is to create your own package manager for it.
Issue9's package manager should be called "issues".
jc3
for the most part debian's emacs apt pkgs are great
JordiGH
jc3: Challenge me to fix those that aren't.
jc3
so if i'm used to the apt pkgs, will i have better luck with fink than macports?
JordiGH
I think fink's problem is that it has too few people working for it.
jlf
jc3: why would you use a package manager to install a single file?
johnw
for updates?
jlf
considering the file he's installing is last (c)2006 that's doubtful
JordiGH
But yeah, what the trigraph said.
qDot_
Might wanna try homebrew if you're on OS X
http://github.com/mxcl/homebrew
jc3
qDot_: thx for the tip
emacs-dwim
How do i tell an org-babel source block to use the list result as a column instead of a row?
chadz
so nobody uses emacs --daemon and has issues with bold fonts being highlighted?
if i run emacs in a virtual console (ghetto background) it doesn't highlight my bold fonts.
Riviera
i have a maybe similar issue
jeremyn
mega newb question, i'm trying to enable autoindent and when i try the top three options (one at a time) from here http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/AutoIndentation, emacs opens with an error
any ideas?
edev
jeremyn: post the error to the emacs pastebin?
jeremyn
sure thing, one moment
Riviera
chadz: i have problems with bold fonts depending how i start the daemon
jlf
if it's the same error for different forms there may be a syntax error elsewhere in your .emacs
chadz
Riviera: haha, what variations do you use when starting the daemon?
emacs-dwim
chadz: does (terminal-parameters (frame-terminal (selected-frame))) list any property for 'background-mode, such as 'dark or 'light?
lisppaste
jeremyn pasted "emacs autoindent error" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/105699
emacs-dwim
chadz: what about 'tty-color-mode
jeremyn
if i take that out, emacs will open fine
e1f
tgunr: if it's c code youre debugging, you have to compile it with -g option
then m-x gdb will track the source
chadz
emacs-dwim: apparently light
tgunr
nope, elisp code, figured i can call it with M-: and enter debugger that way
jlf
jeremyn: is newline-and-indent defined at that point in .emacs?
Riviera
chadz: needed a sec to reproduce it :) depends on whether i start it in a terminal or by having it started by clicking on a button in gnome :)
chadz
Riviera: haha, silly
jeremyn
jlf: no. i just cut and paste the line from the emacswiki site and slapped it in there
Riviera
chadz: on clients that connect to the terminal-started daemons, everything's fine
edev
jeremyn: post your whole .emacs to pastebin? or is that all there is?
jeremyn
one sec
Riviera
chadz: well, i don't worry much, i have the daemon usually running at login, so well :)
chadz
emacs-dwim: i don't seem to have a tty-color-mode variable (or i don't know how to print it out) describe-variable pulls up 'tty-color-mode-alist
lisppaste
jeremyn annotated #105699 "full .emacs.el" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/105699#1
edev
jeremyn: also, what version are you using?
chadz
Riviera: maybe I should do that.
jeremyn
23.1.1 on ubuntu
edev
jeremyn: oh, theres the problem - look at the previous line. need to close your parenthesis.
i honestly dont know what custom-set-variables does, im not an emacs guru, but to my knowledge you shouldn't need it there. why'd you use it, if i may ask?
jeremyn
edev: hm, i thought i understood what you meant and just now put a ) at the end of the custom-set-variables line, but now it complains with "Invalid read syntax: )"
edev: i cut and paste all of that from somewhere where i was trying to figure out how to set the color theme
jlf
you probably have a lonely close paren
just above custom-set-faces
edev
jeremyn: i should have been clearer - remove that whole (custom-set-variables line unless you have a good reason to have it
jlf: should he have the custom-set-variables at all? i may be wrong.
chadz
Riviera: does the gnome buton that laucnches the server do anything special?
Riviera
chadz: but let me know if you find a fix :)
jlf
the customization logic may write it there as a placeholder even if it's empty, but it can safely be removed
chadz
i think it might have to do with using 256color terminals? not sure.
jlf
s/it's empty/no variables have been customizd/
Riviera
chadz: AH!
jlf
s/zd/zed/
Riviera
chadz: damn, yes, that too!
jeremyn
i got rid of the line and then found another floating ) down below and got rid of that too, now it opens fine and autoindents (though i'll need to customize that). thanks
Riviera
chadz: actually, that's exactly it. I just wrongly remembered the issue.
chadz: (not using a "gnome button", just created it to find out how I experienced that error, and it was not having TERM set to xterm-256color)
edev
jeremyn: perfect. i apologize for the confusion. fwiw, i personally tend to customize on a per-mode basis, with the top option. maybe im in the minority though.
jeremyn
edev: thanks. i'm just trying to figure this out, i thought i'd give emacs a whirl after using vim for so long. in vim these are straightforward options. i can tell from online searches that this is a common complaint
chadz
Riviera: well, i do have my term set to xterm-256color :(
edev
jeremyn: i'm in the same boat, just a couple months ahead. in my experience, each mode i've used requires a slightly different solution to the indentation issue.
Riviera
chadz: but it's probably still related
jeremyn
edev: you mean customizing things like tab length or are you referring to something else?
edev
jeremyn: certainly, tab length will be a different variable for each mode, but there are cases where newline-and-indent won't cut it, or won't solve the problem entirely. i can give you an example, if you like?
jeremyn
edeve sure
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