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sword
Oughta get you somewhere in the vicinity
kmels
How can I open a file in another buffer from eshell?
sword
find-file filename
eshell can use emacs functions
kmels
cheers
great.
sword
Note that globs don't work all that well, for that you'd want mapc #'find-file *.txt
kmels
thanks
sword
(And the dir/**/*.txt variants)
(Action) goes on a dired rampage
technomancy
(Action) aliases emacs to find-file in eshell =)
legumbre
(Action) too!
         

technomancy
calling mapc from eshell is badass.
johnw
how are you using it?
technomancy
johnw: it's basically only there in case I forget I'm in eshell; I don't use it on purpose. =)
since C-x C-f is fast
sword
Emacs is a giant side-effect
marioxcc
technomancy: i do put EDITOR=emacsclient
JordiGH
Side effect of RMS's existence?
sword
Nah, because if you were doing it right you wouldn't need to edit your files :)
Functional living
,g crayon physics
fsbot
[google] http://www.kloonigames.com/blog/games/crayon
http://crayon-physics.en.softonic.com/
marioxcc
sword: so, how will you create them, if not with emacs?
with cat, i guess
but it isn't the same
sword
Real People Use pencil and paper
jlf
,sword++
fsbot
Noted, jlf. One lispy-point for sword!
cvandusen
jlf
i think that guy shops at the same store peter norvig does
cvandusen
He bears an uncanny resemblance to Harry Shearer.
jlf
paper and pencil is definitely the way to go
cvandusen
Ticonderago No. 2
jlf
pentel twist-erase 0.5mm for me
sword
Lumber pencils
cvandusen
When I went to school, I didn't have access to a computer at home, so would write out the programs on green-bar, then type them in at school. It was a good way to focus on the problem at hand then not have to think about it while typing.
         

sword
Wow, green-bar
cvandusen
aye
sword
That is a really dim memory of my childhood
:)
JordiGH
cvandusen: Do you still code offline?
bps
uni ball kuru toga high grade in .3 B
JordiGH
Sometimes when I'm kinda fed up with the problem, I'll print out part of the source code and read it over lunch.
r4yner
yeah listings are good for bus rides too
cvandusen
JordiGH: Not nearly as much as I used to, but if I'm having trouble conceptualizing a solution, I will write it out in pseudo-code.
technomancy
whiteboards are handy for that
JordiGH
I haven't printed source code in about a year, though.
This just means I haven't been working with hard problems.
cvandusen
back then, I wrote it verbatim, that way I could just type what was written.
JordiGH
(wink, wink, universe, gimme that job)
jlf
p&p forces me to think the design through carefully in the beginning so those designs tend to be a lot more solid
cvandusen
jlf: definitely
technomancy
p&p?
jlf
paper/pencil
technomancy
oh duh
jlf
(Action) is trying to remember the adage that relates the cost of bugfixes to the maturity/level of deployment of a system
scymtym
would any adventurous ERC user with access to bzr like to help me test Rudel's new IRC transport?
cvandusen
scymtym: I can't right now, but I'd be willing to.
turbofail
i caught me a spider
but now i don't know what to do with it
lvh
tasty protein
cvandusen
turbofail: irradiate it, then let it bite you.
turbofail
hmmmm... i don't have any good radiation sources around here
i don't think we have any CRT monitors around
jlf
smoke detector?
turbofail
not all of those have radiation sources
dunno about ours
legumbre
hm bitlbee now supports twiter
twitter
JordiGH
The end is nigh.
cvandusen
and it will be live tweeted.
jlf
,tweet
fsbot
jlf
(Action) grumbles
cvandusen
rudybot: tweet
rudybot
cvandusen: ,tweet
cvandusen
#fail
#wtf #ftw
legumbre
how do you escape # in a tweet?
JordiGH
@legumbre \# mebbe?
cvandusen
I don't think you do; you just double them up.
legumbre
an RFC is in place!
cvandusen
(Action) was in a channel where people would prepend @ instead of letting the client handle if for them.
I almost brought to bear the cannon of displacement
JordiGH
We still get people coming around to do that here too.
The Twitter syntax is picking up everywhere.
legumbre
I think facebook uses @ too
jlf
(Action) ponders writing an erbot patch to watch for that and castigate the miscreants
JordiGH
But as part of the interface or something people imported from Twitter?
legumbre
as part of the interface
probably _because_ people imported it from twitter
World spends 4.82 million hours playing Google Pac-Man on launch day
cvandusen
I'm holding out for Star Gate.
JordiGH
God, I hope they don't make IRC clients that use the @syntax.
legumbre
(Action) suspects Chromium's C-w binding is hardcoded and doesn't honor .gtkrc; won't bother to check.
JordiGH
Chrome kinda hates all UIs except their own.
How did they manage to hijack the Mac OS X window manager?
legumbre
JordiGH: they did?
JordiGH
They didn't?
legumbre
I don't know
quotemstr
Woo!
All regular interviews done; now I'm onto the extra innings.
JordiGH
quotemstr: Wait, you're still not in?
quotemstr
I'm sitting in the lobby now.
The way it works is that when you come to Microsoft, you're scheduled for a couple interviews.
cvandusen
quotemstr: Ah! So you _are_ in. :)
quotemstr
Then, if they like you, they take you inside for *more* interviews.
I'm waiting for the extra interviews to begin.
JordiGH
Well, Google is interviewing me tomorrow, so nyah!
quotemstr
JordiGH: Congratulations!
JordiGH: For what position?
JordiGH
Doggie.
I mean, Engineer.
jlf
quotemstr: i was there from first thing in the morning until 7:30pm :)
quotemstr
Everyone there is that.
JordiGH
Yeah, it's pretty broad.
quotemstr
So you have no idea what you'd be doing if hired.
jlf: And you didn't get the position, right?
JordiGH
I think they're looking for people working on Chrome.
jlf
quotemstr: i got offers from both groups that interviewed me but i took another position
quotemstr
jlf: Ah, I see.
jlf: Were the offers any good?
jlf
i was a new grad at the time but yeah they were decent
quotemstr
Fair enough.
Is it a good sign when they run out of interview questions to ask you?
Also, I _like_ Seattle.
It's cool. There are conifers.
sword
But it's so rainy
quotemstr
I like rain.
sword
Grow gills, it's the PNW
quotemstr
Is it moister than London?
technomancy
legumbre: chrome is an abomination when it comes to keyboard bindings
I can elaborate if you like, but it will only make you furious.
bps
really
quotemstr
Chrome is an abomination when it comes to many things.
jlf
quotemstr: i dunno, they didn't run out of questions for me.. i kind of choked on a couple questions actually and took a long time to get through them, but evidently it helped a lot to speak my thought process aloud as i was trying to get to the solutions
quotemstr
But I really appreciate how it's convinced people that threads are not the solution to everything.
JordiGH
quotemstr: Threads? I thought it was a whole separate process?
quotemstr
Luckily for me, I haven't been in a position yet to express my distaste for the combination of concurrency and shared memory.
JordiGH: It does. That's my point.
JordiGH: It's shown people that you can use processes for many things that are traditionally done with threads and create a better program as a result.
JordiGH
quotemstr: Oh.
quotemstr
Internet Explorer uses a similar approach, actually.
Not that I'd use IE.
Ooh, Fedora 13 is out.
I like how one of my interviewers had a "Inside the Linux Kernel" O'Reilly book on his shelf.
When I asked him about it, he admitted he hadn't read it.
emss
,fsbot
fsbot
[->] I think erbot is [0] an ERC (i.e. Emacs) based IRC infobot <http://emacswiki.org/wiki/ErBot>, <http://sv.nongnu.org/projects/erbot>
[1] the program of which fsbot is an instance (see <fsbot> and <help>),
[2] your plastic pal who's fun to be with!,
[3] secretary of state of the emacs embassy
quotemstr
jlf: Which teams did you interview at?
technomancy
quotemstr: glad the seattle climate hasn't scared you away yet. =)
jlf
one group was doing sync for mobile devices and the other was xbox media extender iirc
technomancy
heh; "sync for mobile devices"
aren't there like 12 independent efforts to implement that within MS?
jlf
i like how they had a fleet of priuses to drive you between interviewers' buildings
technomancy
what, no on-campus monorail?
jlf
although maybe you can just jump into the pneumatic tubes by now
quotemstr
I just walked.
Actually, all my interviews have been in building 26 so far, but I was taken out to lunch.
jlf
mine were a few miles distant
quotemstr
Then the Prius fleet would make sense.
Speaking of which --- I've seen very few Priuses around here.
I see more in Buffalo, a poor rest-belt city, than I see in Redmond.
Of course, the latter has a far greater proportion of luxury cars I'd never want.
technomancy
really? I don't spend much time on the east-side, but they're all over Seattle itself.
quotemstr
Yeah.
jlf
i think a lot of seattlites get around by astral projection
quotemstr
I still haven't visited Seattle properl.
Last night, a friend took me out to the "Tap Room Grill" over in Bellevue.
Typical yuppie place; I'd prefer a real city that isn't quite so... shin.
y.
technomancy
my brother-in-law used to work at Bungie, so I've really only seen Kirkland.
quotemstr
Apparently downtown Bellevue was built up only in the past ten years.
jlf
they make good cords
quotemstr
Also, I *hate* the architecture on Microsoft's campus.
technomancy
Bellevue is pretty high on the yuppie scale.
quotemstr
I don't really like the bauhaus/modernist look.
I want my damn marble columns and gargoyles.
Finding that on the west coat is relatively rare, I imagine.
technomancy
not a whole lot of that on this side, yeah.
outside universities, at least.
quotemstr
I imagine all the housing is relatively new too.
jlf
very little here is more than 200 years old
technomancy
100, more like
quotemstr
Buffalo and the east in general is chock-full of gorgeous turn-of-the-century houses with plaster walls and solid hardwood doors.
technomancy
there's a small portion of town in Seattle that survived the turn-of-the-century fire, but it's all underground.
quotemstr
Everything out here seems to be postwar.
Maybe there's a prewar Seattle downtown.
technomancy
quotemstr: spend a little time in Pioneer Square, that's the only place you'll find prewar stuff here.
quotemstr
technomancy: Hrm. Is it a good residential area?
turbofail
whenever i hear bellevue i get it mixed up with bellingham, where a bunch of bands are from
quotemstr
http://www.shunpike.org/images/seattlePioneerSquare.jpg is gorgeous.
technomancy
depends on what you're looking for I guess. I don't think it'd be worth it if you were working on the east side, but ... dunno really.
quotemstr
I am also disappointed in that I've seen very few lumberjacks. :)
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