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JordiGH
US abortion laws are so mesmerising.
mstr
because of?
JordiGH
I was reading the Olkahoma stuff.
So first they tried to make women who had an abortion disclose all their personal details online.
When someone higher authority that was way too lulzy, they said FINE but now they try again by forcing the woman (or "mother"[sic]) having an abortion to watch an ultrasound.
mstr
that's just weird
benny
that's really absurd
JordiGH
(Action) pictures the devotchka viddying some films about her babby.
jlf
olkahoma!
JordiGH
Picking on the typos of the mesmerised is in poor taste.
jlf
a well known musical by hodgers and rammerstein
         

benny
we love polka in olkahoma
JordiGH
It's Handmaid's Tale all over.
quotemstr
(Action) finds a typo in RFC2616.
JordiGH: We're not all like that. There are civilized areas.
JordiGH
Your voting patterns say half of you are like that.
quotemstr
True.
ltbarcly
I have a linting script I run via flymake, but lately I have been editing remote files. is there a way to runt he script on the remote machine?
jlf
if anything it would say that half of /voters/ are like that
JordiGH
ltbarcly: ssh?
ltbarcly
I was thinking more like have tramp run it on the remote environment
but I guess ssh could work
JordiGH
I've not been happy with tramp.
I just stick "ssh" into my compilation command if I need it.
ltbarcly
interesting
JordiGH
And sshfs if I need to edit remote files.
ltbarcly
unfortunately flymake with the linting script is already slow
I'll try it
I'm using sshfs as well
schmir
ltbarcly: tramp does that by default
or compile-dwim
ltbarcly
I'm having tramp run a linting script though
damota
hi !
woodworks
no, not at the moment
DraX
anyone know of an updated java-mode floating around that highlights/indents annotations and generics correctly?
jlf
(Action) waits for someone to implement M-x dwim
technomancy
jlf: M-x butterfly doesn't cut it for you? WFM.
         

jlf
butterfly's functionality is a small subset of dwim's
technomancy
jlf: clearly you need to align your desires more closely with the Dao of Emacs.
woodworks
its amazing someone probably spent hours writing butterfly...
jlf
rudybot: are you a fan of xkcd?
rudybot
jlf: though, we could write an xkcd function which could be like yow
cvandusen
I want a yow for twitter.
Actually, the whole fsbot experience.
jlf
cvandusen: patch erbot to support multiple communication channels?
cvandusen
jlf: there ya go!
jlf
it might not be too bad actually
cvandusen
It'd be great to tweet ,yow and have a bot pick up on that and blast out...whatever.
right??
fsbot
Definitely
jlf
,tweet
fsbot
[google] http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/EmacsTweetHaskellTypeErrors
http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs-fr/haskell-tweet-errors.el
jlf
(Action) nudges fledermaus
cvandusen
ubot
_habnabit
I'm using python-mode.el, and when I have `foo(bar,` on a line and add a newline, it indents out to the same level as the (. Is there a way to make it only indent once with an open brace, and not line it up?
damd
_habnabit: i'd doubt that it's possible... why do you want that anyways?
_habnabit
damd, I don't like that style.
leo2007
are you obsessed with tweaking emacs?
damd
hello_there(bar,
baz)
do you want that _habnabit?
_habnabit
damd, yeah, like that.
leo2007, no? I have it set up in textmate, so I wanted to get emacs to match the same style.
damd
that's a weird python style...
_habnabit
Whyso?
leo2007
_habnabit: sorry that's a general question for everyone.
damd
_habnabit: never seen it in any python project before
leo2007
there are 900 commits in my .emacs.d
_habnabit
damd, I can't stand lining up the indentation to open braces.
damd, it looks horrible to me.
JordiGH
Textmate...
damd
_habnabit: python in general looks horrible to me
_habnabit
damd, I'm sorry.
JordiGH
It appears we are at a stalemate.
(Action) attemps to move the conversation forward.
_habnabit: Your mother looks horrible to me.
leo2007
I used to think RCS is great for small projects (i.e. one file projects). Now that I have used git, I can't tolerate it any more.
_habnabit: you want to set up emacs for python development?
JordiGH
leo2007: I still can't get used to git. Hg has made me use a different style of working.
_habnabit
leo2007, basically.
leo2007
_habnabit: checkout emacswiki.
JordiGH: if hg were written in C, I guess I could give it a go.
_habnabit
leo2007, I've looked those over a few times, but I couldn't find anything about this specific issue.
leo2007
what issue?
_habnabit
leo2007, scroll up a bit.
JordiGH
leo2007: I don't have projects large enough for the Python to feel slow.
git does feel very Linuxy though.
_habnabit
(I use bzr, so ha.)
tromey
I've grown to love git
leo2007
tromey: you use magit?
tromey
not as much as emacs, but still quite a bit
qDot_
(Action) love git/magit
tromey
I haven't used magit too much
I probably should
mostly I use vc-dir and then do some stuff in a terminal window
leo2007
tromey: mostly I use magit but sometimes I need command-line too so I added a git completion support for eshell.
I have gotten into the habit of rewriting history ;)
tromey
yeah, that is awesome
I do that for my bigger patch series
leo2007
yeah and to shift patches around, organise them in a more logical order etc.
tromey
yeah
leo2007
even without understanding too much about the internals of git, we can still use it to do a lot of advanced stuff. That is cool.
qDot_
leo2007: Man, yeah, interactive rebase is addictive.
Have you looked at stacked git?
leo2007
no, not yet, any link?
moljac024
who isn't obsessed with tweaking emacs?
otherwise we would all be using vim
leo2007
qDot_: is it some kind of front end?
technomancy
magit makes rewriting disturbingly easy
moljac024
bye everyone and good night
qDot_
leo2007: http://www.procode.org/stgit/
offby1
I just had an idea for the most amazing emacs feature -- and unfortunately, this channel is large enough to contain it, so here it comes. If I visit a file, and auto-revert-mode- is on in that buffer, and then something outside of emacs deletes the file, emacs should alert me somehow -- blinking the frame, or putting something in the mode line.
That's my idea, and it's mine, too.
Discuss.
ggole
offby1: off to emacs-devel with ye.
leo2007
offby1: that doesn't sound difficult, it can automatically detect file change on disk already.
offby1
yep
the hard part would probably be deciding on how to alert.
i.e., what color to paint the bike shed
leo2007
qDot_: did you use it?
offby1: could raise-frame, beep etc.
or send a message through growl or dbus
qDot_
leo2007: Not yet, since I mostly work on stuff by myself.
leo2007
qDot_: I haven't run into needing the features stacked git provide though. Maybe in future.
hekevintran
how do trigger C-up arrow without the arrow keys?
Kirill
hi! I'm running Emacs on Mac OS X, and the strangest thing happens. Whenever I start erc via erc-select, my printer prints a page with garbage. It's the damnest thing =P Any ideas?
qDot_
Exorcism.
ggole
hekevintran: bind that command to something other key
s/something/some/
hekevintran
ggole: there's no default key binding for paragraph movement?
ggole
Kirill: first thing is ,,q
fsbot
From memory, Q is To run emacs with minimal initialization, run emacs -Q. It prevents both site-files and .emacs from loading. -q only prevents .emacs from loading.
benny
hekevintran: yes there is, C-up and M-{
leo2007
hekevintran: forward-paragraph
jlf
,dk C-h w
fsbot
where-is is an interactive compiled Lisp function in `help.el'.
It is bound to C-h w, <f1> w, <help> w.
(where-is DEFINITION &optional INSERT)
Print message listing key sequences that invoke the command DEFINITION.
Argument is a command definition, usually a symbol with a function definition. ..[Type ,more]
leo2007
Kirill: most people use the powerful rcirc package.
I use rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.1.97.1 (Mac OS X 10.6.3)
jlf
[citation needed]
leo2007
See above.
hekevintran
benny: thanks
benny
(Action) is going in circles
leo2007
qDot_: why do you use interactive rebase?
most of rebase I do is through magit or in shell for --onto
jlf
,confluence
fsbot
[google] http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs-ja/MichaelLabbe
http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/CategoryHypermedia
qDot_
Ah, sometimes I like to collapse and reorder stuff.
leo2007
qDot_: i see, I guess in magit it is the rewriting commands. then I use it too.
elarson
does anyone know if circe supports ssl or tls?
aartist
How you have been using 'property' of the org-mode ?
leo2007
good night, folks.
aartist
When I run org-remember, I get message " Autoloading failed to define function org-remember". What does that mean?
leo2007
aartist: ,,tdoe
fsbot
I think tdoe is [0] type M-x toggle-debug-on-error RET, reproduce the problem, then lisppaste the contents of the backtrace buffer.
[1] NOTE: you dont *have* to lisppaste, just contemplating the backtrace will often give you enlightenment
aartist
How do I install org-remember ?
kodein
how does I google?
http://orgmode.org/manual/Remember-templates.html
http://orgmode.org/manual/Setting-up-Remember-for-Org.html#Setting-up-Remember-for-Org even
harovali
hi, is there a keychord to make the point go to the previous position it held ?
damd
harovali: do you mean C-x C-x?
harovali
damd: yes! thanks
damd
harovali: note that what it really does is exchange point and mark
,dk C-x C-x
fsbot
exchange-point-and-mark is an interactive compiled Lisp function in
`simple.el'.
It is bound to C-x C-x.
(exchange-point-and-mark &optional ARG)
Put the mark where point is now, and point where the mark is now.
This command works even when the mark is not active,
and it reactivates the mark. ..[Type ,more]
harovali
damd: it's usually what I need
damd: if there were a stack of positions the point took , that would rock too
damd
harovali: there is a stack of mark positions, but i'm not sure how you "traverse" it
the variable is named mark-ring and is buffer-local
jlf
harovali: M-: (info "(emacs)Mark Ring")
aartist
also see M-x browse-kill-ring
harovali
damd: jlf: thanks
aartist: thanks you too
aartist: does it live in any special package I had to load ? tab-expanding M-x browse- doesn't show it here
jlf
,browse-kill-ring
fsbot
[->] BrowseKillRing -- at http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?BrowseKillRing
harovali
jlf , I'll check it out
aartist
harovali: also get M-x install-elisp
Help me to resolve this issue: "Autoloading failed to define function org-remember-insinuate"
jeremy_c
How do I run emacs on windows w/o having a console window appear? i.e. double click emacs and you get a console window, then an emacs window. You can use runemacs.exe, but when you pin that to your task bar, you wind up with a runemacs.exe and emacs.exe on your task bar when it's running
aartist
jeremy_c: runemacs.exe
benny
runemacs.exe always only showed one entry in my taskbar on XP
jeremy_c
If you pin runemacs.exe to your windows 7 task bar, when it's not running, it's one icon.
but then when you run it, emacs.exe launches and windows 7 treats it as two apps, thus you have two taskbar icons.
the runemacs.exe sits there as a "launcher" only, I guess, then when it launches the new emacs.exe process, it assumes it's own taskbar icon.
damd
runemacs.exe is the stupidest sh*t ever
jeremy_c
hm, should have searched the wiki, the same problem is reported there: http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/EmacsW32#toc49
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