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derrida
eh, i'll hack, being lazy
offby1
(Action) thwaps his sarcas-o-meter
I think the needle is stuck
legumbre
derrida: you mean you wan't M-x slime to call slime-connect if swank is already running, right?
*want
derrida
legumbre: exactly
legumbre
derrida: lemme think
jordanb_
rudybot: quote
rudybot
Follow your dreams, except for that one where you're naked at work.
offby1
(Action) <3 that quote
jordanb_
What about that one where you're in a town and nobody else is around.
That's either a dream or a twilight zone episode.
         

quotemstr
My glasses
!
offby1
I don't want to follow the "oh crap I'm back in high school and haven't studied for the final" one either.
jordanb_
quotemstr: That's the one where there's a nuclear disaster, and the guy was in the bank vault.
offby1
Nor the "my teeth are falling out" one ...
jordanb_
He had the whole library though, he could have found the braille section and taught himself it.
quotemstr
My dreams don't have narratives most of the time.
jordanb_
offby1: Heh. I've had that one too.
And I'm not even an old fart.
offby1
I'm oddly reassured to discover that some of my recurring dreams are popular standards.
quotemstr
Nor do I have recurring dreams. In fact, I'm rather disturbed that I don't appear to dream, or at least remember my dreams, most of the time.
jordanb_
And then you try to stick them back in and think "maybe they'll be ok if I leave them."
quotemstr: You do dream, you just don't remember.
People only remember their dreams if they wake up out of REM sleep, and then they only remember the one from that REM session.
quotemstr
The brain is a hack.
jordanb_
i kno
It's like emacs
offby1
quotemstr: mine are generally so appallingly stupid that I was grateful when the falling-teeth one showed up
quotemstr
Lucid dreaming sounds fantastic if you can achieve it.
jordanb_: If it were emacs, I could increase max-lisp-eval-depth :-)
jordanb_
Yeah.
dmhouse
I've done it a couple of times, accidentally
jordanb_
It's like having a holodeck.
dmhouse
Lucid dreaming, that is, not increasing max-lisp-eval-depth.
kensanata
Happy I learned how to recognize the scary dreams because they usually keep to the same patterns. Thus, I manage to realize I'm dreaming and wake up when it happens.
I don't really get to control what I dream, just stop it.
Too bad!
jordanb_
Our subconcious is so lame.
FWIU they have a machine that can make you lucid dream.
It has a camera that watches you eyes for REM, then when it happens, there's a headphone you wear that whispers "you're dreaming"
         

dmhouse
I had one lucid dream where I went off a bit of hill when I was skiing and ended up not falling. I realised it was a dream, and continued to fly. That was *awesome*
Another time I realised I was in a dream and could make stuff appear and disappear. That was pretty damn cool too
offby1
jordanb_: Mrs Offby1 often tells me that I'm dreaming
jordanb_
She watches your eyes while you sleep for REM and then whispers it? Or she just tries to knock you down when you talk of bettering yourself?
offby1
oh, the latter.
jordanb_: this is for you http://www.flickr.com/photos/wallofhair/4490728172/
jordanb_
Heh.
Bombers had this really cool mechanical computer in them back in the day, that would actually fly the plane when they were on their bombing run.
That must be part of the control.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norden_bombsight
offby1
sounds like they didn't work particularly well
FunctorSalad
is there any good reasons why hooks aren't by default *nonfatal* errors?
jordanb_
offby1: Yeah.
offby1: Well.
offby1
FunctorSalad: do you mean "errors thrown by hooks"?
jordanb_
offby1: The problem they were trying to solve was a lot harder than people expected I think.
offby1
sure
FunctorSalad
to be more accurate: why errors thrown by hooks are fatal to the whole action
jordanb_
offby1: That's why ballistic bombs aren't used much anymore.
FunctorSalad
tends to make my emacs unusable whenever I mess up some configuration...
offby1
FunctorSalad: I think that's how thrown errors work in general; I don't think it has anything to do with hooks
you could wrap your hook function with a condition-case, and thereby suppress the error
FunctorSalad
I guess you could advise add-hook to always add hooks wrapped in a handler?
jordanb_
offby1: I think they ended up making bombing a lot more accurate than it otherwise would have been though. They cancled out a lot of potential sources of error. The problem is a lot of them remained.
offby1
FunctorSalad: I guess
FunctorSalad
(it's especially dangerous if the hook persists in the custom-file)
jordanb_
rudybot: quote
rudybot
Let's put "creative commons" tags on all of our posts to IRC.
jordanb_
rudybot: quote
rudybot
I'll make you irrelevent.
krankkatze
Hi there, I use ERC and I'd like to keep it connected all the time
anyone knows what's the best way to do it?
my computer is a laptop so it can't stay connected itself
dmhouse
Well you'll have to run it on something
krankkatze
I've thought I could run emacs --daemon on my server and connect to it with my laptop
dmhouse
That'll probably work
krankkatze
well
I've read I can't connect to the daemon from another host
dmhouse
You could ssh in
Or use whatever remote desktop software you want if you wanted a windowed Emacs. There may be a better way.
jordanb_
Why do you want to be connected all the time?
I'd run emacs in screen personally.
offby1
krankkatze: I do something like that. I have a regular emacs running inside "screen" on the server, then either use "screen" to connect to it, or else "ssh -t server emacsclient --tty"
krankkatze
hmm
is it the same as ssh -X and then emacsclient ?
because ssh -X is too slow to be used
offby1
krankkatze: yes, except it's console-based instead of X based.
I totally agree that ssh -X is too slow
jordanb_
ssh -CX works better.
cluck
krankkatze: your best chance other than what has been mentioned is probably to use an irc bouncer
jordanb_
Or just give up on it. It's not necessary to be on IRC all the time.
offby1
jordanb_: haven't tried that in ages
jordanb_
nickserv will mind your nick name.
offby1
johnw: I killed the "git bzr fetch"; it hadn't made any visible progress in over an hour
jordanb_
Git's a peice of festering dogsh*t anywy.
I can't stand all the fanboys for that thing.
dmhouse
jordanb_: genuinely interested, why don't you like it?
jordanb_
It's flaky as sh*t.
dmhouse
jordanb_: I'm just starting out with it after deciding I need to learn it (still prefer darcs for now)
jordanb_
It wiggs out constantly, and then trying to figure out how to make it work again consumes hours.
qDot_
(Action) has never had a problem with git flakiness.
However, yeah, the learning curve for it is... stupid.
jordanb_
Imagine darcs if have the time you try to pull things break.
That's git.
Half
And when it breaks it does so with the most bizzare error messages.
fledermaus
jordanb_ rockin' the ams-misinformation vibe, I see.
jordanb_
And you go online and people give magic incantations you're supposed to type.
offby1
.oO("flaky"? "wiggs out"?)
it's one of the most reliable programs I've ever used.
jordanb_
And all the documention is full of jargon invented by Linus and understandable only by him apparently.
fledermaus
poor workman, tools, etc
jordanb_
fledermaus: I hate git because I've used a dvcs that works properly: darcs.
Git is the sendmail of dvcses.
offby1
I've seen exactly one error in over a year of steady use
jordanb_
An overcomplicated pile of festering crap that requires 'wizards' to operate.
offby1
it _is_ hard to learn, I'll grant that
fledermaus
too hard for jordanb_ at any rate
jordanb_
Well it fu*king shouldn't be. It's a version control system.
Sendmail was an email system. The fact that it took 'wizards' to operate was because it was misdesigned and overcomplicated.
And once again, if you use a decent system like postfix or darcs, you see the insanity of it.
But then you have all these stocklholm syndrome nerds.
Who once they get semi-competent with it see it as a real skill.
And then go play drums on the git bandwagon
qDot_
I think it's moving slowly toward usability.
fledermaus
I think jordanb_'s off on another unsubstantiated pointless opinionated rant.
jordanb_
fledermaus: You're emotionally attached to it because it abuses you.
parolang`
heh :)
fledermaus
you sound like ams
parolang`
git-flagellation :)
ams
fledermaus: you sound like consolers.
parolang`
consolers: you sound like jordanb_
(Just to complete the cirlce.
)
qDot_
qDot_: you sound like qDot_
ams
parolang`: consolers ain't here.
offby1
parolang`: you sound like Peter Sellers in "The Goon Show"
parolang`
Does he have to be here to complete the circle?
FunctorSalad
btw is there some way to jump to the calling site of a function call while in a debugger-mode stacktrace?
parolang`
offby1: haven't seen it
offby1
heh
it was an old old radio show
FunctorSalad
(or to dump the current-location in an eval-when-compile would help too)
parolang`
offby1: But, it was probably a well-crafted insult, kudos to you sir, kudos :)
offby1
naw it was just the first thing that came to mind
parolang`
ah
ams
i think y'all sound like a bunch of hillbillies
parolang`
ams: We're not the one who just said "y'all".
ams
parolang`: you said it too!
cluck
as awkward as i feel saying it, i'm with jordanb_ on this one. dvcs are needlessly complicated, they should need minimal interaction and probably ought to reside at the fs level
ams
hillbillie! kill him!
parolang`
:)
cluck
but then again i'm an idealist :P
ams
cluck: like RCS?
RCS is the first DVCS.
and still the only usable.
fledermaus
cluck: so you're a clearcase fan
offby1
er
parolang`
And there shouldn't be filesystems, we should have only databases!
ams
parolang`: yeah, using SQL
jordanb_
I think darcs is proof that dvcses can be simple, reliable, and effective.
ams
fledermaus: please refrain from such harsh language.
jordanb_
I haven't tried hg yet. I imagine it's going to disappoint but hopefully it won't disappoint nearly as bad as git.
parolang`
And all GUIs should use pie menus!
jordanb_
I think a lot of git was linus ma******tion, all the jargon in the documenttion suggest that.
webben
"I imagine it's going to disappoint" ... that's the spirit ;)
jordanb_
He's SO FUCKING AWESOME that eveyrone should come along for the ride.
offby1
FunctorSalad: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2575484/emacs-debugger-how-can-i-step-out-step-over
jordanb_
Even when he goes completly off the rails, like with the 'index.'
ams
the what?
jabot
jordanb_: well, i use hg
jordanb_
ams: This bizzare limbo thing between the workig copy and the current revision.
ams: Or something.
jabot
i would characterise it as simple, reliable and effective
ams
jordanb_: so like in git?
jordanb_
Yes, it's a feature of git.
A misfeature.
ams
stashes...
or whatever you call 'em
jordanb_
Clearly it does something inside of linus's head.
jabot
i think its called stage
...
in hg
sry in git
ams
i'm going to bed
jabot
hg doesn't have it
jordanb_
Ohter than get corrupted, I mean, which is all it seems to do for me.
fledermaus
jordanb_: we've already established you're singularly incompetent then, can we move on?
parolang`
Well...the guy definitely has an ego. Not sure what that has to do with git though :)
The Catholic Encyclopedia is google result #3 for a search for "flagellation".
jordanb_
fledermaus: When git hurts you, it's *not* because you're a bad boy and it knows what's good for you.
fledermaus
parolang`: I hear they're more into industrial-scale child abuse these days
jabot
parolang`: ego causes inability to take advice that runs contrary to prior decisions
fledermaus
jordanb_: you seem so very, very certain that git has "hurt" me, and I'm really not sure why
parolang`
fledermaus: Maybe they haven't gotten around to writing the article :)
jordanb_
Because you have a classic case of stockholm syndrome.
offby1
*yawn*
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