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offby1
too late
mansour
I am wondering about the mail readers with emacs (VM, and GNUS), any of them supports X-Label and filters ?
offby1
no idea
grep for X-Label in their source
dmhouse
Emacs mail readers are generally sh*t, grumble grumble.
mansour
dmhouse: I have been using mutt for few years, and happy with it, except that I travel a lot and in many cases I am away from the net, in which case I like to have my emails on the local disk, and to be able to sort them.
ams
dmhouse: i like rmail
mansour
ams: I am reading about it now. Does it support filters by X-Label ?
dim
mansour: tried offlineimap + a local dovecot server?
ams
mansour: i guess..
         

yrk
dmhouse: I've toned down my expectations from email to those fitting a technology from 1965
mansour
dim: No
dim
(Action) uses msmtp + offlineimap + dovecot + gnus
ams
mansour: what does filtering based by X-Label mean?
dmhouse
yrk: yeah, quite
mansour
dim: I wrote a python script that will download my emails from gmail, and add labels to them, X-label is an email header attribute.
dmhouse
(Action) uses Gmail. It's got a great interface, I get free spam filtering and it's accessible anywhere
ams
mansour: sounds like rmail's labels..
mansour
I mean, I don't want to configure gizillion utility to sort my emails, so I wrote my own.
ok,
ams
dmhouse: and you get spied on... best of two world..
mansour
I will google it
offby1
(Action) agrees with dmhouse but calls the /me police on his ass anyway
dmhouse
ams: I couldn't give a sh*t if a computer reads my email
offby1
dmhouse: pronoun agreement, son; pronoun agreement
ams
dmhouse: what if the goverment does?
mansour: you could probobly add a hook that adds rmail labels when you read your email
dmhouse
ams: if I'm honest, I still couldn't care that much. But I'm fairly sure if the government wanted to read my emails, they could set up an intercept with my ISP. So running off my own PC wouldn't help that much
I guess they can read my past emails with Gmail
mansour
yeah, but I don't to read the emial and sort it.
I want them sorted when I read my inbox
ams
sorted how?
labels don't sort, they are tags to messages...
mansour
well, I don't mean sort them, but filter them.
ams
mansour: filter -how-?
mansour: just show messages matching specifc labels?
         

johnw
salam, mansour
ams
C-M-l will do that...
it will reate a summary of messages matching the specified labels
mansour
for example, if an email has X-Label: emacs, then it should be shown when I read the emacs-related emals
ams
i have absolutley no clue what that means..
mansour
ok, let's slow down a bit, so I can explain and not to get lost :)
ams
so you want folders?
mansour
ams: In all my emails, there's a label in the header.
ams
ok...
mansour
yes, it works exactely like folders.
ams
then you want sorting.
not labels
mansour
but all the emails in one single directory
ams
(Action) shakes his head.
what has google done to todays kids?
dmhouse
Labels are a generalisation of sorting into folders
ams
they want sorting, but not sorting...
folders, but everything in a singleone..
dmhouse
They're still a form of organisation or, to use a synonym, sorting.
ams
labels are tags to messages... they don't sort anything
it is no more special than From or To
dmhouse
So? They're a form of organising messages into piles. Just like folders
ams
sorting is ordering your messages in a order, lexicographical or whatever, labels don't order messages, they add tags to them
directories are tree based, labels arent.
they are tags
dmhouse
Oh, you mean sorting in the sense of ordering
mansour
ams: yep, I don't know the correct word. but I am subscribed to many mailing lists and I want to read my emails for each list at a time.
dmhouse
(Why would you want to do that?)
mansour
just like google labels
dmhouse: not ordering.
I mean filtering by label.
ams
mansour: no clue, i get sh*t loads of email, and find that it isn't useful to read email like that
dmhouse
mansour: I know, but this seems to be what ams is talking about
mansour
then yes, that''s what I want
ams
i don't sort it, i label messages that are of interest to me
mansour
ams: yep
that's what I want
ams
and do in general two runs of my inbox.
mansour
and rmail supports this ?
ams
one is reading, the other is replying.
dmhouse
Oh, another thing Emacs mail readers can't do: HTML mail. (Yes, I get some. Yes, I want to be able to read it.)
ams
mansour: i have no clue what `this' is.
rmail can add labels to messages, and display all messages in a summary matching specific labels, or whatever
yrk
mansour: I have procmail do all of that by regexping different aspects in the headers
mansour
I mean it support labeling and filtering them by the label.
yrk
gnus does support "filtering" each mail and putting it in a specific folder though
ams
you can label messages, and you can summarise messages by label, yes.
you're not filtering any messages, you are showing them.
mansour
yrk: procmail separates them into directories, and the configuration is just hell, \
ams
filtering means that you do something to the messages, but in rmail you don't do anything
you just show a different buffer with a summary of them
mansour
you know guys, if any of you have used mutt, you know the "limit command" to limit the view for emails by a keyword or a header attribute
ams
C-M-l will create a summary of all messages matching the specified labels
mansour
ams: wonderfull.
yrk
mansour: putting them into directories, sorting, filtering... I think you are looking for an equivalence relation for the set of all of your mail
ams
C-M-s will do the same, but by regexp
but none of these commands filter anything
mansour
that's ok with me
dmhouse
yrk: labels aren't equivalence relations, since you can apply more than one label to a message
ams
the messages stay as they are
yrk
dmhouse: so "labels" can be equivalence relations, but they can also not
dmhouse
yrk, in general they are not
mansour
ok, I will see what I have and let you know
thank you all
jordanb
rudybot: quote
rudybot
Let's quit our job.
hylje
you heard the man (bot)
chrisdone
what's the shortcut to jump back/forward to the next empty line?
(if any)
dmhouse
M-} perhaps?
chrisdone
ah, perfect
thanks!
apparently C-up/down is bound to forward-paragraph, too
dmhouse
It is indeed
chrisdone
in return I present a useful function I wrote to kill a line but retain the column you were on: http://paste.lisp.org/display/97289
there's one on the emacs wiki but it's a bit buggy in places
offby1
chrisdone: I'd probably just use C-s C-q C-j C-j
lotta typing though
I left out a C-q too
quotemstr
Rutabaga isn't bad.
chrisdone
offby1: yes, a lot of typing, hahaha
offby1
quotemstr: Brussels sprouts can be good too
I wouldn't have believed it
chrisdone
offby1: in England we just call them "sprouts"
quotemstr
It's like a big flavorful potato.
chrisdone: When we say "sprouts" here, we're talking about bean sprouts.
chrisdone
quotemstr: two oceans separated by a common garden
quotemstr
chrisdone: Yep. Yours evolved; ours didn't as much.
(AIUI, the American accent is closer to 18th century speech in England than the current posh English accent is.)
Hrm. The turnip is an old world vegetable. I didn't know that.
cognominal
I forgot how to open a file in an already running emacs from the commande line.
somowhow knows it?
quotemstr
,emacsclient
fsbot`
EmacsClient -- [0] at http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?EmacsClient
[1] Also see ,multi-tty
cognominal
thx
offby1
quotemstr: I wonder how someone would know that. Did they discover old 18th-century wire recordings ... ?
quotemstr
offby1: Pliny the Elder mentioned it.
Oh, wrong antecedent.
offby1
He said "By golly, these here Brits ten centuries hence will sound just like what Americans will sound like twelve centuries hence"
smart fella
quotemstr
offby1: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4761275
offby1: That's for Elizabethan English, but similar techniques work.
messerting
Hi, how can I make emacs restore sessions when I log in to KDE? (I mean: repoen the windows/buffers that were open when I logged out)
quotemstr
,desktop
fsbot`
DeskTop is [0] at http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?DeskTop
[1] see http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/SessionManagement
messerting
All I get when I log in is the scratch buffers
and a line saying "Restored session data"
but the old buffers aren't opened
jordanb
rudybot: quote
rudybot
Let's pgp sign all of our irc messages.
jordanb
Let's give the Canadians some of that Internet Money.
messerting
I've search on the wiki, but I couldn't find a solution there
offby1
(Action) vows not to talk posh
chrisdone
(Action) would like to hear offby1 talk posh
offby1
messerting: it's possible that the buffers are indeed restored, but emacs is simply sticking the *scratch* buffer in your face to be annoying
(Action) digs a hole and crawls in
messerting
offby1: well, I've checked that :) not the case unfortunately
offby1
huh, there here OP sounds Irish.
jordanb
I always talk posh.
offby1
s/there/this/
mansour
I am unable to set the Maildir for rmail
jordanb
This just sounds like australian.
offby1
messerting: what have you got in your .emacs to restore the session?
(Action) dimly recalls using "desktop" for a while
messerting
There's a line "Loading /home/myusername/.emacs.d/session.10d5686972000127032106100000025800060." in *Messages*
dmhouse
desktop is good.
messerting
offby1: not sure - what should be in there?
I don't have anything named "desktop" og "session" in my .emacs
offby1
messerting: I dunno; that's why I'm asking _you_. Emacs doesn't restore sessions by default, so you must have done -something- to tell it to; I'm assuming that that "something" is some stuff in your .emacs
messerting
offby1: Could be Fedora/KDE having put something in the default init file. I'll check
offby1
could be indeed
hekevintran
I have setup my windows it a certain way. How do I save this setting to be invoke later?
quotemstr
(Action) has never used desktop.
offby1
oh, and there's some other system-wide file that, in theory, could affect it too ... but I'd be surprised if it did anything so disruptive as install a session-management thingy
jordanb
I wish people were paying more attention to the ipad.
offby1
yeah really
jordanb
The internet might not even notice that it's going to be released.
Just imagine it: A tablet PC!
That could change the universe!
mansour
none of the mail clients seems to support maildir format
this is unbelievable !
jordanb
None of the emacs clients have been worked on since 2002.
quotemstr
mansour: IMAP?
mansour
no, local file
jordanb
They only support theoretical imap.
mansour
local files, in maildir
quotemstr
jordanb: Gnus has been maintained.
dmhouse
They're all sh*t, like I said.
jordanb
Seriously?
fsbot`
I know. Right?
quotemstr
You know, you can just use mutt, which is an excellent client.
jordanb
I do use mutt.
I woudln't call it 'excellent' though.
"Usable"
quotemstr
If mutt isn't excellent, what is?
jordanb
The workflow in mutt is really dumb.
You have to fill in some of the headers.
Then write the message.
Then fill in the tohers.
quotemstr
You can compose using Emacs.
jordanb
So you're sure to forget to add CCs or attachments by the time you're done writing the email.
Of course you can.
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