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moljac024
anyone using google wave?
jordanb_
heh
cvandusen
moljac024: aye
dim
hey I have the same problem @work titanofold, I guess it's because I'm using a white-on-dark theme
that's only a guess though
moljac024
cvandusen: what's it like?
how long till someone integrates it into emacs? :D
titanofold
dim: I'm using a black on white theme. The standard I guess for X.Org, I guess.
cvandusen
moljac024: it's good for group communication where you want to keep history.
moljac024
i may have to use it with this one group
technomancy
moljac024: there are people working on it
         

jordanb_
rudybot: quote
rudybot
I blame Sao Tome.
moljac024
i'm not looking forward to it
damd
google wave sucks big time
at least the default web UI for it
technomancy
anyway, if you want collaborative editing you should use ,,rudel
fsbot
technomancy: From memory, rudel is [0] a collaborative editing client for Emacs that understands the obby protocol.
[1] http://rudel.sourceforge.net,
[2] (unfortunately requires CEDET),
[3] be sure to get trunk from bzr instead of the release: bzr://rudel.bzr.sourceforge.net/bzrroot/rudel/trunk/
technomancy
try to look past the fact that it uses eieio; apart from that it's quite nice
cvandusen
I didn't know that much about it, but work with a Google zealot and he pushed the group to use it.
moljac024
what is the obby protocol?
cvandusen
damd: yeah the UI is not very good
damd
moljac024: "collaborative editing protocol"
moljac024
anyway, this group is mostly made up of dumb users - communication so far has been through facebok
but this one 'tard is pushing for wave...
legumbre
(Action) Likes That
cvandusen
I was not surprised to find that there is an Emacs Wave client.
moljac024
you know when you present something to clueless people as the next best thing since sliced bread
cvandusen
Very alpha, but it's there
moljac024
they all jump on the bandwagon
cvandusen
The devs at the place I was at were like that.
moljac024
what advantages does wave bring over mailing lists or google groups?
technomancy
it's real-time
up to you to decide whether that's an advantage
         

pipping
regarding the segfault i mentioned a couple of minutes ago: it appears only to occur when emacs is compiled with gcc 4.5
technomancy
(spoiler alert: it's usually not)
cvandusen
I was skeptical, but it's not been some unholy nightmare to use it. (I do still keep my skepticism in my back pocket, though)
moljac024
technomancy: unfortunately i don't think i could or should for that matter, sway 14+ people
god damn horny retards jumping at everything that has google in its name
cvandusen
what moljac024 said
jordanb_
Google's the new Apple.
cvandusen
I thought they and Apple were two of the Holy Triumvirate.
greboides
buzz is cool i think
moljac024
it's even worse since google makes retarded web apps
cvandusen
what are the non-retarded web apps out there?
technomancy
"google, your mom made your logo. you were running late that day, and she drew it in the car on the way to the meeting." http://m.assetbar.com/achewood/uua5rxLcz
moljac024
i think people are so fascinated about web apps since stupid people who couldn't be programmers otherwise get to make something and feel big :D
cvandusen
moljac024: Why do you think PHP is so popular? ;)
moljac024
well, yes, kinda my point
technomancy
"IBM's logo speaks of hard-ass instant coffee and Barney Miller. We think of the smell of carbon copy forms. It is assumed that the men will drink rye at lunch."
moljac024
i'm not serious though
don't mean to offend anyone
but there may be something to it...
cvandusen
No, there's something to it all right.
webben
"so fascinated about web apps since stupid people who couldn't be programmers otherwise get to make something".
Not sure how true that is in practice.
moljac024
it's not really
webben
But it would arguably be a /good/ thing not a bad thing.
titanofold
dim: I think I found the answer: M-x ps-print-customize -> Color -> Ps Print Color P -> Do NOT print color
webben
(end-user programmability)
moljac024
but it is a bad thing when people tend to reinvent everything as an inferior web app and stupid users jump on the bandwagon for god knows what reason
it's a simpler interface and can't get too complicated - maybe that's why
webben
Again - that's a /good/ thing, arguably.
(simpler UI)
moljac024
for instance, you can only left click, don't need to think about no stinkin right click in a web app
titanofold
dim: At least comparing my latest print to the previous print is darker.
dim
hehe I'll try to remember M-x ps-print-customize
ouch
custom UI, I had forgotten
webben
And that simpler UI tends to go along with zero maintenance.
And minimal setup costs.
dim
,dv ps-print-color-p
fsbot
Specify how buffer's text color is printed.
Valid values are:
nilDo not print colors.
tPrint colors.
black-whitePrint colors on black/white printer.
See also `ps-black-white-faces'.
Any other value is treated as t. ..[Type ,more]
dim
that should be it
jordanb_
rudybot: star track
rudybot
jordanb_: incubot: As the Moon drifted slowly across the face of the Sun and darkness fell, I became aware that I was standing on a ball of rock orbiting a star.
jordanb_
rudybot: track
rudybot
jordanb_: quotemstr: i bet he has a low mips count and can't multitask (judging from apple's track record)
jordanb_
rudybot: mackintosh
rudybot
jordanb_: Says here you're using a Mackintosh.
jordanb_
rudybot: mackintosh
rudybot
jordanb_: That guy who loves mackintosh.
damd
does anyone actually use ESC to M-x?
like, by choice
moljac024
i bound f5 to M-x
technomancy
damd: maybe to input M-TAB without invoking your WM?
damd
moljac024: did you know about the <menu> key?
moljac024
which one is that
damd
the one with a dropdown menu on it
moljac024
the one that my window manager gladly hogs for emulating right click?
damd
usually next to the right ctrl key
possibly, yes
Dodek
damd: i sometimes use, when my terminal emulator does not send meta modifier
dim
technomancy: use awesome and stop bothering :)
moljac024
not possibly, most certainly
:)
technomancy
dim: devilspie is growing on me
mostly because of its composability
damd
moljac024: its default behavior is kind of meant to be "right click" :P
moljac024
damd: i know
but I never use it
damd
neither do i
moljac024
hmm, sounds like it could be bound to something useful
damd
i have actually removed that key from my keyboard
moljac024
lol
didi
Is it possible to ask for user input without using a (interactive) function? I mean, ask for input in the middle of a function without the call to the interactive function?
moljac024
dim: awesome takes a while to set up
damd
didi: read-string
dim
I'm using default setup for awesome
moljac024
dim: that's just wrong
dim
technomancy: ah. emacs full screen and I'm set to work --- mmmm, add conkeror
moljac024
awesome is to window managers as emacs is to text editors :)
cluck
legumbre: i'm hardly browserless, but i am on a very spartan dataplan :)
dim
yeah I'd prefer awesome to use elisp or at least some scheme
moljac024
and no, i don't use awesome - but when i get some week or two of free time i might dive in
ewmh, floating and tiling - sounds like pure win
damd
skip awesome and go straight to xmonad
moljac024
i used xmonad
technomancy
dim: right; I like devilspie because it allows you to treat the windowing rules as a separate mechanism
moljac024
for a good while
didi
damd: Very cool. Thank you.
damd
didi: np
jordanb_
rudybot: What do you think of lisp?
rudybot
jordanb_: lisp-1, dammit.
moljac024
now i'm on openbox again <- my favorite wm
damd
openbox is pretty cool, i used that before getting into tiling
cluck
moljac024: no it's not, stumpwm is
moljac024
i returned from tiling to openbox - i'm a heathen, what can i say
dim
technomancy: oh I'm just using a pair of virtual desktops, sometimes 3 of them for having Skype apart, and 1 X client per desktop... so...
cluck
moljac024: even wmii is more programmable than awesome
moljac024
nowadays i just have a maximized undecorated terminal and firefox
damd
cluck: how so?
moljac024
and perhaps pidgin
technomancy
(Action) generally has 4 or 5 emacs instances open at once
moljac024
oh yeah, stumpwm because of lisp, right?
i never tried that one
cluck
damd: wmii is not language bound, stump actually uses lisp
keramida
Woohoo! Clojure running on FreeBSD!
damd
cluck: no i mean how is wmii more programmable than awesome?
moljac024
no u guys, the most programmable is dwm :P
damd
they're all programmable okay!?
they're all ... turing-complete.
moljac024
and open source
keramida
All open source wms are programmable. They do compile after all. At least most of the time
(Action) takes cpt. obvious to bed... nite all
legumbre
All these window managers are yours. Use them together. Use them in peace.
moljac024
openbox xnest xmonad xnest awesome xnest stumpwm xnest wmii segfault
legumbre
of course, we all know stumpwm is the best
cluck
damd: wmii is for all intents and purposes a filesystem, you can manipulate it with any language
moljac024
nope, that would be fvwm
now that's a beast
cluck
all hail plan9 \o/
damd
ion fu*k yeah
jordanb_
rudybot: quote
rudybot
Let's get some POS software.
jordanb_
rudybot: quote
rudybot
I'll give you trance and all that cause it was just a silly fad anyway.
moljac024
wow, irony here
anyone know of a good web site where you can play online multiplayer card games for free with someone else?
jordanb_
Heh
dim
yahoo?
moljac024
yahoo has that?
dim
I think so
technomancy
dim: you misspelled yahoo!
rryouumaa
[technomancy generally has 4 or 5 emacs instances open at once] -- does this cause locking problems?
dim
technomancy: sorry sir
technomancy
rryouumaa: nah; they're all used for different things
dim
http://games.yahoo.com/card-games
moljac024
dim: thanks
technomancy
one for fun coding, one for work coding, one for IM, one for IRC
dim
technomancy: like ERC/Gnus/work/....?
moljac024
i haven't visited yahoo in about 7-8 years
dim
ah yes that, I use escreen for that
technomancy
dim: I ... am using gmail right now. =(
(Action) buries his face in shame
dim
ouch
gnus in emacs23 is kind of nice
technomancy
it's really terrible compared to gnus, but it syncs with my phone
dim
still requires a LOT of setup around it
tried funambol technomancy?
technomancy
yeah, especially if you want to sync using offlineimap, etc.
dim
,g funambol
technomancy
,funambol
fsbot
[google] https://www.forge.funambol.org/download/
http://my.funambol.com/
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dim
bremner
see also syncevolution
technomancy
ISTR people being pretty happy with offlineimap
just need to find the time to set it up (hah!)
dim
well offlineimap tends to work ok
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