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cvandusen
quotemstr: "clam broth" Mmmmm
quotemstr
http://www.candyblog.net/blog/item/lifesaver_musk/
Wow. http://foodnetworkhumor.com/2009/04/a-whole-chicken-in-a-can-yummo/
cvandusen
Shipping containers are at least US $2000
quotemstr
As in standard-sized cargo-ship containers?
That sounds pretty inexpensive, actually.
cvandusen
according to: http://www.buyerzone.com/industrial/storage-containers/bps-storage-containers-prices.html
I have seen firsthand the chicken in a can.
Sweet Sue makes some truly great culinary items
Not Sweet Sue, but another one I found at the same store: http://stumpypencil.blogspot.com/2006/03/prairie-belt-sausage.html
quotemstr
There is something deeply disturbing about eating brain.
http://rossignol.cream.org/mad/cowbrain.jpg
moljac024
erc or rcirc?
or weechat/irssi
let's hear it
i'm using weechat at the moment
tromey
I haven't tried rcirc, just erc
erc seems ok. I've found a few buglets, nothing major
cvandusen
erc only because I haven't had time to try the others.
         

moljac024
i don't need too many features from my irc client, would i be happy with erc then? one thing i didn't like was that it created a buffer for every channel but now i found ibuffer and its ability to group buffers
tromey: what buglets?
technomancy
rcirc's join/part hiding is way better, but erc works with password-protected servers
also erc doesn't create a buffer when you msg someone, at least not out of the box
tromey
moljac024: I don't remember offhand, I filed them all in the emacs bug tracker
technomancy
(Action) would like it if there were a fix for that
tromey
I click on their nick to make that happen
lame
technomancy
tromey: ah, pressing RET on their name might do it
tromey
there's a menu, so I dunno if RET would work
moljac024
any quickstart or guide to using erc?
tromey
this guile stuff kept me awake last night, sigh
moljac024
also i'm having trouble figuring out how to use emms with mpd
tromey
I let it get into my psyche
andrew__
Why use emacs over gedit or nano?
moljac024
guess ill have to dig into that one
tromey
love
kensanata
andrew__
tromey: Love isn't a good reason :-(
jlf
oh, a troll
technomancy
tromey: at least andy seems to be avoiding that air of eventuality that some of the others are exhibiting
tromey
yeah
technomancy
andrew__: watch what you say about love, man.
         

qDot_
The hell it isn't.
quotemstr
Colloquy here.
andrew__
Ok, but back to the question :p Why bother with emacs?
tromey
andrew__: yeah, more seriously, the #1 thing I like about emacs is the integration. I do a lot of stuff (not just editing) in emacs, and it is nice to not ever leave the interface
quotemstr
andrew__: ,,salespitch
fsbot
We aren't gonna lie. Emacs sucks. Some of us tolerate it, but we can't tell you if YOU'LL be able to. Try it and make up your own mind.
kensanata
haha
tromey
most modes work in familiar ways, I almost never leave the keyboard, I can use all my familiar editing commands and extensions in all modes, etc
if you are a casual user you may not experience this benefit
technomancy
don't forget it's an excuse to write lisp at work even if you don't work for ITA
moljac024
erc is included in newer emacs?
jlf
(incf technomancy)
moljac024
cool
quotemstr
andrew__: As I became older, the part of me that appreciates trying new things died. Emacs is what I used when the music stopped. :-)
kensanata
fsbot: whyuseemacs
fsbot
From memory, WhyUseEmacs is [0] at http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?WhyUseEmacs
[1] see also CharlesSebold
tromey
moljac024: yes
andrew__
Hmmm
quotemstr
andrew__: It gets 40 rods to the hogshead and that's the way I like it!
nocturnus
hello emacs
andrew__
Ok I'm not really finding any reason to use emacs :/
tromey
I actually moved everything back into emacs a couple years ago
nocturnus
vim user here
kensanata
I also like the Emacs Defense.
quotemstr
andrew__: Okay.
kensanata
fsbot: emacsdefense
fsbot
From memory, EmacsDefense is at http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?EmacsDefense
qDot_
andrew__: Then don't.
nocturnus
is it possible to automatically indent the first line of a block of text in emacs? because in vim its not
andrew__
Then I shall not
nocturnus
i.e like the indentation in the first line as you see in an essay
quotemstr
andrew__: Good for you. It takes all kinds.
kensanata
nocturnus: I think so.
quotemstr
nocturnus: I don't know of anything offhand that'll do that, but check some of the fill-* variables.
madpickle
`text-mode' might have something
nocturnus
kensanata: it seems trivial but apparently you can't do it in vim
kensanata
(emacs) Text Mode
nocturnus
quotemstr: i don't want to learn the intricacies of emacs just to find out its not possible to do it
kensanata
nocturnus: It has a section and mentions paragraph-indent-text-mode
tromey
filladapt can do most things
nocturnus
vim's documentation is really specific on this kind of behavior too, but to my surprise it is NOT POSSIBLE
quotemstr
nocturnus: It's definitely possible.
andrew__
quotemstr: Thank you sir
nocturnus
quotemstr: can you prove it, please?
andrew__
I'll go back to my sanity :p
moljac024
hello nocturnus
quotemstr
tromey: The problem with filladapt is that you need to manually set up a template for it first.
nocturnus
hello moljac024
quotemstr
nocturnus: ICBF.
moljac024
prepare to be assimilated
i was a vim user up until last saturday
kensanata
nocturnus: Uh... I already mentioned how it is possible. I assume quotemstr was just referring to that.
nocturnus
ICBF to learn at least of half of what emacs has to offer to realise it cannot be done without me coding something
kensanata
icbf?
fsbot
I think ICBF is I can't be fu*ked .. + other entries
quotemstr
nocturnus: Sure.
kensanata
Ah...
nocturnus
kensanata: ok i'll install emacs, and lets see if this works
quotemstr
nocturnus: I've long said that to really make the most of Emacs, you need to know elisp.
madpickle
nocturnus: it would take you many years to learn even half of the core parts of emacs
nocturnus
elisp rocks
specbot
Sorry, I couldn't find anything for rocks.
quotemstr
nocturnus: Emacs is a programmer's text editor, among other things. I don't see a problem with that requirement myself.
kensanata
fsbot: manual "text mode"
fsbot
http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/info-ref?find=text mode
quotemstr
elisp nreverse
specbot
http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/elisp-manual/html_node/elisp_87.html#IDX239
quotemstr
Interesting.
kensanata
fsbot: manual text%20mode
fsbot
http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/info-ref?find=text%20mode
kensanata
Gah.
fsbot: manual Text%20Mode
fsbot
http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/info-ref?find=Text%20Mode
nocturnus
quotemstr: that's right - it seems like a really trivial thing that even the most basic editor can do, weeks later after asking in #vim, it cannot be done
madpickle
nocturnus: emacs can do it.
kensanata
nocturnus: There is the manual section for you.
nocturnus
so if you want automatically indented first lines - guess what - fu*k you that's what, because vim doesn't deliver
madpickle
nocturnus: kensanata already explained how
johnw
kensanata: you're up late
kensanata
johnw: I'm still in the office.
23:19... not a good time!
nocturnus
let me just paste two sentences from the vim manual to show you how much i was scammed
uberjar
is there an easy way to get emacs to treat files with a given extension as HTML ? for example .erb files
nocturnus
2 When formatting text, use the indent of the second line of a paragraph
for the rest of the paragraph, instead of the indent of the first
line. This supports paragraphs in which the first line has a
different indent than the rest. Note that 'autoindent' must be set
too. Example: >
first line of a paragraph
second line of the same paragraph
third line.
jlf
uberjar: ,,dv auto-mode-alist
fsbot
Alist of filename patterns vs corresponding major mode functions.
Each element looks like (REGEXP . FUNCTION) or (REGEXP FUNCTION NON-NIL).
(NON-NIL stands for anything that is not nil; the value does not matter.)
Visiting a file whose name matches REGEXP specifies FUNCTION as the ..[Type ,more]
moljac024
nocturnus: try viper-mode
nocturnus
moljac024: i don't remember what that's from, vim or emacs?
quotemstr
kensanata: thanks for telling me about paragraph-indent-text-mode. I had no idea it existed.
madpickle
don't paste so much, nocturnus
uberjar
jlf, will google auto-mode-alist thnx
moljac024
nocturnus: vi emulation in emacs
kensanata
uberjar: Use auto-mode-alist.
moljac024
best of both worlds (kinda)
kensanata
fsbot: auto-mode-alist
fsbot
[->] hmm, automodealist is [0] at http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/AutoModeAlist
[1] (add-to-list 'auto-mode-alist '("\\.foo\\'" . foo-mode))
quotemstr
nocturnus: Just out of curiosity, why do you want that kind of indentation in plain text? It's really ugly. Are you sure you don't want LaTeX?
nocturnus
madpickle: i didn't think it would be that much - i didn't realise it would paste it all on different lines
kensanata
quotemstr: Because it's the standard? :)
At least it is in print...
nocturnus
quotemstr: just for writing documentation
jlf
uberjar: e.g. (add-to-list 'auto-mode-alist '("\\.html\\.erb\\'" . eruby-nxhtml-mumamo-mode))
nocturnus
quotemstr: i.e README's
quotemstr
kensanata: I find that blank-separated paragraphs are the default in plain text documentation.
philsnow
damn, re: which irc client to use, i can't remember the name of some project.. it's an irc proxy, so you set up the proxy and then connect your client(s) to the proxy
btx or bxc or btc or something is one of them
quotemstr
I have *never* seen a README with paragraph leadin indentation.
madpickle
philsnow: there are loads of those: ezbounce is one...
nocturnus
what's the emacs variant tha truns in the command line called again?
kensanata
quotemstr: Well, most of the books I read for entertainment don't use empty lines to separate paraphs.
nocturnus
quotemstr: no no, just indentation of the first line of the paragraph
kensanata
+gra
jlf
uberjar: substitute your mode of chocie for eruby-... of course
philsnow
anyway the point is that you can try erc and irssi or whatever at the same time
quotemstr
kensanata: Most books aren't formatted in a fixed-width character grid.
jlf
choice even
kensanata
quotemstr: True.
quotemstr
nocturnus: Right. I never see that in plain text. It looks hideous.
In _typeset_ prose, it's fine. But in plain text, blanks work better.
kensanata
quotemstr: I'm still waiting for Emacs filling to be able to work with variable width fonts.
quotemstr
kensanata: It's been able to do that for years.
kensanata
quotemstr: And after that, the holy grail. Hyphenation!!
philsnow
ah the one i was looking for was znc
moljac024
nocturnus: have to agree with the others here - why would you want to indent like that?
quotemstr
kensanata: Again, in plain text? No thanks.
kensanata
quotemstr: But it looks like sh*t, right? Or did I miss something?
nocturnus
http://fpaste.org/9uph/ <-- like this
quotemstr
kensanata: It doesn't work very well for programming, sure.
nocturnus
how is this ugly?
uberjar
(setq auto-mode-alist (cons '(".erb$" . html-mode) auto-mode-alist))
works great
nocturnus
makes it easy to tell blocks of text apart
quotemstr
nocturnus: I bet you think Picasso's nudes are sexy too.
moljac024
nocturnus: yes dude, that is ugly
nocturnus
but it saves me so many <cr>'s!~
moljac024
blank lines work better
for separating blocks of text apart
then again, to each his own
nocturnus
this is really the only way to do it when writing hierarchical trees, insert newlines confuses your depth in the tree unless you have a big screen to see all the text at once
moljac024
i sometimes use too many blank lines in stuff
kensanata
I think it's perfectly valid to try and use Emacs as a word processor and not only as a markup editor with which to typeset text via LaTeX, texinfo, or whatever.
nocturnus
i use latex too
quotemstr
kensanata: TeXmacs.
kensanata
That's why Emacs text-mode has stuff like margins, paragraph-indent-text-mode, and other stuff.
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