header for one of my tex files

boscop

it says in the minibuffer: "Coding system for following command (default utf-8-unix): "

jabot

try utf-8-unix as coding-system

boscop

that's the right one, right?

jabot

most likely

boscop

so I press enter
and nothing happens/changes

jabot

maybe...
you use emacs in a termina?

ams

boscop: `following ommand'

jabot

boscop

jabot, no
ams, the cursor is in the buffer afterwards, not in the minibuffer

jabot

boscop: the c-x RET c is a prefix for the c-x c-f

ams

boscop: it means that the coding system is only affecting the next command you issue
not your buffer, or anything you have in your buffer

jabot

boscop: or try
C-x RET f

boscop

I closed the buffer, and then did C-x RET c RET (for utf-8-unix) and then C-x C-f for reopening, but it's the same

jabot

(which is set-buffer-file-coding-system)

boscop

I tried that first

jabot

hm
well...

boscop

when I save the file with another coding system, maybe the char sequences get stored verbatim, like \237

jabot

unlikely that

boscop

but the cursor moves between them

ams

use C

boscop

so, they seem to be separate chars

ams

C-x RET f

boscop

I tried that. which encoding system do you suggest?

ams

how should i know?
i don't know what your file contains

boscop

it's stored in utf-8-unix, it contains latex text
and it's also openend as unix format, according to the modeline

jabot

what version of emacs?

boscop

ams

i have no clue what the last one means.

jabot

nt emacs?

ams

but you answered your own question

jabot

you said something about windows?

boscop

yes

jabot

well

boscop

GNU Emacs 23.1.50.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2009-11-04 on LENNART-69DE564

jabot

what happens if you insert an ä?

boscop

it gets normally inserted

jabot

save, close, reopen?
still an ä?
or broken like the other umlauts?

boscop

jabot, after reopening the umlauts have different sequences, but still wrong. e.g. 'ö' is now 'ÃÂ¶'

jabot

boscop

looks like 2 'ö' internally.
one seems to be 'Ã' and the other 'Â¶'
because the latter one was the former sequence
for an 'ö'

jabot

hm
ok, so the document itself is only part of the problem
hm

boscop

jabot, should I pastebin the document?

jabot

try m-x describe-coding-system
yeah, that might help too

boscop

Coding system for saving this buffer:
1 -- iso-latin-1-unix (alias: iso-8859-1-unix latin-1-unix)

jabot

aaaah :D

boscop

(after reopening)

jabot

-> wrong

boscop

jabot

latin-1 isn't utf8
different representations for umlauts
:|

boscop

ah, but I told it to save in utf-8

jabot

danklesman

what do people here use as an emacs mail client? I've been playing about with gnus, but i see some others aswell...

jabot

please reopen it with utf-8-unix as coding system

boscop

jabot, now, I set it again and reopened again, not I got: Coding system for saving this buffer:

ams

rmail

boscop

U -- utf-8-unix (alias: mule-utf-8-unix)
but the chars are still wrongly displayed!

jabot

boscop

no change in the representation

jabot

if you saved with latin1 as coding system

boscop

in other buffers it works normally

jabot

it might have mangled the characters

boscop

:/
that's what I suspected

jabot

you still have the original version?

boscop

no
can I convert it back with emacs?

jabot

ok
first: save a backup
:)

boscop

now?
or in the future?

jabot

better late than never

boscop

and then?

jabot

try revert-buffer-with-coding-system

boscop

now it's back to the previous mangled form

jabot

what coding-system did you chose?

boscop

oh, WOW
I set the coding system to latin-1 again, saved, and reopened with utf-8-unix
now it's in its original state :D

jabot

with correct umlauts?

boscop

yes!

jabot

boscop

:D
thank you!

jabot

NOW
before you do anything else

boscop

I know: backup

jabot

write the coding-system into the document :)

boscop

jabot

% -*- mode: latex; fill-column: 75; mode: auto-fill; coding: utf-8-unix; -*-
header for one of my tex files
emacs will read and interpret this

boscop

do I need a preceeding space?

jabot

um
no

boscop

jabot

% -*- coding: utf-8-unix; -*-
if you only want to specify the encoding

boscop

ams

boscop: care to prefix your messages with the persn you are directing them to?

boscop

ams, yes

ams

boscop: thank you

johnw

ams: I see you are here in #emacs, bravo :)

jabot

boscop: ams has me on ignore

johnw

have you perfected your sour milk recipe?

jabot

no idea why

ams

johnw: nope...
johnw: sting is missing in it..
i did find `old milk'....
oldstyle milk
or something
more fat

johnw

hmm

ams

made me happy

johnw

i wonder if you just need to add more lemon juice when you make the yoghurt

ams

yeah

johnw

i think that by doing so you will make curds and whey

ams

tried making home made cheese ones..
or really curds... but cheesy curds.. not sure what yah call 'em in english
was for a cheese cake...
used up like 4 liters of milk...
failed horribly

wgreenhouse

ams: farmer cheese?

jordanb

rudybot: quote

rudybot

Let's sync.

ams

wgreenhouse: dunno, it is white... mild in taste
wgreenhouse: texture is kinda like cottage cheese i guess
i suppose it is very similar to cottage cheese
<3 cottage cheese
night

johnw

pressed curds are just like sweet feta cheese

jordanb

rudybot: quote

rudybot

Let's javascript(void);

jordanb

rudybot: quote

rudybot

I'll burn your ce.

sachac

Sweet, I have a reasonably-working org-toodledo sync.
danklesman: Pretty happy with gnus

jordanb

rudybot: quote

rudybot

Let's go for a ride on the love canal.

jordanb

That sounds dirty if you don't know what the love canal was.
And *really* dirty if you do.
rudybot: quote

rudybot

Let's talk about fortran.

jordanb

FOR TRAN
Let's TRANslate som FORmulas.

jlf

let's invent a common business-oriented language

jordanb

jlf, You should form a short term comittee to investigate that.
rudybot: quote

rudybot

I love it how on star trek the woman always falls in love with the bad guy and risks the enterprise as a result.

Astyan

question about elc ..
how to use it ?
foo.elc is auto loaded when i try to load the file foo.el ?
or should i chekc myself if foo.elc , load it , else load foo.el..

jlf

heh, carly fiorina says passover is a time where "we break bread and spend time with our families and friends."

subopt

Is there an easy way to /quit

jlf

oy!

jordanb

Break the funny bread.

sz0

Astyan: just load foo, it will make it

jordanb

Is that fiorina chick going to win?

Astyan

ok i finally found the page that talks about that :) http://www.gnu.org/s/emacs/manual/html_node/elisp/How-Programs-Do-Loading.html#How-Programs-Do-Loading

jordanb

That will be hilarious, I gotta say.

wgreenhouse

jlf: bread eh?
guess someone forgot to clear out the chametz

jlf

we would have to be a bunch of idiots to elect her

flexibeast

Repeating question from earlier in case there's now someone around who can help: "Hi all. I'm wanting to run mutt inside emacs, but when I do so via a term, the background colour for mutt is not white but more of a grey, overriding the colour settings in my .muttrc. How do I tell emacs which colours to use in this situation?"

jlf

so yeah, probably

wgreenhouse

flexibeast: which Emacs terminal are you trying to use to do it? M-x term?

flexibeast

i've tried both term and ansi-term.

wgreenhouse

hmm
,nterm

fsbot

nterm is a vt100 emulator at http://kanis.fr/nterm.html

jordanb

Unleavened bread is still bread.

wgreenhouse

may produce your colors more faithfully

avar

flexibeast: M-x ansi-term ?

jordanb

M-x ascii-term is buggy and gross.

flexibeast

avar: Yes.

wgreenhouse

flexibeast: alternatively, you can reverse the equation and run Emacs (or an emacsclient) as mutt's editor for messages

avar

jordanb: good to know

wgreenhouse

but I like nterm, it seems to do well with color-theming and such

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