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fledermaus
rudybot: seen keramida
rudybot
fledermaus: keramida was seen in/on #emacs two weeks ago, saying "offby1: well, yes, but they are free to pick & choose their friends according to the GPL", and then keramida was seen leaving the channel in/on #emacs two weeks ago, saying ""Leaving""
fledermaus
(Action) creaks off to the kitchen to get some coffee and tiramisu
jordanb_
I wish they would bring back the twilight zone in non-douchy form like they did with doctor who
Let's make a shaggy god story
fledermaus
sounds lovecraftian
jordanb_
rudybot: quote
rudybot
Let's return void from main.
dropdrive
Is there a way to download a file (from an URL) and open a copy of it in emacs?
fledermaus
,df ffap
         

fsbot
ffap is an alias for `find-file-at-point'.
(ffap &optional FILENAME)
Find FILENAME, guessing a default from text around point.
If `ffap-url-regexp' is not nil, the FILENAME may also be an URL.
With a prefix, this command behaves exactly like `ffap-file-finder'. ..[Type ,more]
fledermaus
NEXT
dropdrive
fledermaus: Thanks boss.
rgr
dropdrive: ido mode
dropdrive
rgr: How exactly?
rgr: I already use ido-mode
bojohan
M-x browse-url-emacs
snogglethorpe
jordanb_: oh come on, dr who was _always_ douchy
though granted, at least it's better than blake's 7
god that's a train wreck from beginning to end ...
jordanb_
snogglethorpe: I agree that unlike japanese children's shows, Dr Who is lacking in tentacle rape. But it makes up for it in story telling.
snogglethorpe
i dunno, every dr who episode I've seen seemed to be pretty damned creaky
hylje
how's it as far as hips go?
child bearing hips like in french children's shows
snogglethorpe
mostly venues for the dr to flip his scarf around stylish and get some good cheesecake shots of his companion as far as I could tell
er, "stylishly"
jordanb_
Only one doctor had a scarf.
snogglethorpe
well he must be the one I saw then
well i did see some of the very early b&w ones
they were just boring
jordanb_
You prefered star trek?
snogglethorpe
sort of experiments in how they could do an entire show in the empty field behind the studio
no i hated star trek too...
at least the original series
fledermaus
*gasp*
we don't need your sort in here, mister.
snogglethorpe
mind you, this is partially probably due to all the star trek fans I knew in college...
fledermaus
I suggest you git while the gittin's good.
snogglethorpe
I think nothing can generate loathing more effectively than star trek fans
jordanb_
snogglethorpe: So what kind of shows do you like?
The kind where they abuse random people? Or the cartoon sex?
         

snogglethorpe
i don't really watch tv much here
chrisb
are you talking about japanese tv?
snogglethorpe
all the cool ones where they do things like put people in rubber suits filled with cockroaches aren't on when i look
jordanb_
Yeah, snogglethorpe lives on the isle of weird fu*ked-up sh*t.
snogglethorpe: BTW: Why do the Japanese kill whales?
snogglethorpe
don't ask me
i think some conservative guy idolizes whaling as a cultural connection with the past, so the government pours money into it to get his vote
if that guy would just die, then no problem
shabble
jordanb_: http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1971807,00.html
snogglethorpe
though i must admit, the anti-whaling protesters usually end up making me root for the whalers
they seem to think it's some kind of extreme sport
fledermaus
snogglethorpe: because you're in favour of driving creatures to extinction for no good reason?
snogglethorpe
fledermaus: no because the protestors seem to be complete douches
fledermaus
so you logically decide to take it out on the whales. interesting.
snogglethorpe
(i'm talking about the ones you see on TV, mind you; i'm sure there are very nice protestors somewhere or another)
fledermaus
mind you at this rate we'll kill off cod and tune before we kill the whales.
go us.
jordanb_
Cod are the cockroaches of the ocean.
snogglethorpe
fledermaus: not at all; if japan stopped whaling, i'd be happy
fledermaus
that's krill you're thinking of
snogglethorpe
but i think the protestors are (1) completely ineffective, and (2) douches
well admittedly, they are effective in looking like douches
Sketch
lobsters look more like the cockroaches of the ocean to me
jordanb_
The whales have to suffer because the protesters are douches?
snogglethorpe
jordanb_: well that's the point -- the protestors have no effective on the whale's suffering
jordanb_
I don't understand why anyone eats cod. It's the most disgusting fish I've eaten.
fledermaus
you've obviously never eaten lutefisk
snogglethorpe
jordanb_: they just sort of pose and gyrate their pelvises for the camera and the whales get killed either way
kodein
fledermaus: but lutfisk doesn't taste of anything
fledermaus
what about surstromming?
kodein
tastes a bit salty, but is tasty
fledermaus
I'm guessing you're scandawegian, right?
kodein
I needn't eat it more than once a year, however.
yeah, scandinavian.
jordanb_
snogglethorpe: At least they show the world that the bizzare sh*t Japanese people do isn't all harmless.
fledermaus
I bet you like salmiakki too :)
kodein
I can eat it, yes
fledermaus
heh
hylje
i love salmiakki!!
snogglethorpe
jordanb_: they demean their cause
bojohan
salty liquorice is the best
fledermaus
good lord, I'm surrounded by them.
snogglethorpe
hm, how about raw licorice?
fledermaus
they'll be breaking out the rakfisk next
snogglethorpe
that stuff's nasty
kodein
shrimp is something I don't eat, though
nor other shellfish
jordanb_
In part, the Japanese may be protecting their right to whale as a stand-in for a separate issue that they actually care about: fishing for bluefin tuna. Japanese eat an estimated 80% of the world's catch of the sushi species, which many scientists believe is in danger of being fished out of existence.
The plot thickens.
kodein
chicken of the sea
snogglethorpe
hm tragedy of the commons i guess
fledermaus
pretty much
same with north sea fish stocks
bojohan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hakarl#Preparation
fledermaus
the politicians keep coming back and saying "we compromised, it's ok", as if you can compromise with reality.
kodein
It appears to still be okay to eat hoki, so that's about the only whitefish I eat nowadays. Sometimes alaskan pollock
fledermaus
note to self: never eat any scandawegian ethnic foods, ever.
jordanb_
Also politicians turning critical issues into di*k-length contests, like with the Chinese in Copenhagen.
kodein
fledermaus: pickled herring shouldn't be too bad ;)
snogglethorpe
jordanb_: the chinese are very sensitve about that
jordanb_
snogglethorpe: ;)
shabble
fledermaus: "Reality must take precedence over public relations, for Mother Nature cannot be fooled."
jordanb_
I like "you have a right to your own opinion but not your own facts."
kodein
that's a good quote yes
jordanb_
Heh, that is from Daniel Moynihan, which has a bunch of good ones:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Patrick_Moynihan#Quotes
"No one is innocent after the experience of governing. But not everyone is guilty."
snogglethorpe
i'm beginning to wonder about that one these days...
`democrats declare "actually I kinda like fox news"'
ergh
reading political stories on slashdot is scary ... :(
bojohan
"Don't expect to reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into."
jordanb_
The worst people are the people who *think* they've reasoned themselves into it though.
Like libertarians.
I like it how economic discussion on the internet is like discussion of medicine would be if everyone considered himelf an expert, and thought the cause of every problem was humors not being in balance and the solution was bloodletting.
fledermaus
economics isn't particularly scientific though
people mostly just write essays and ignore any facts that might be available
defn
i i removed a couple of packages from my elpa/ directory in my .emacs.d directory
and now emacs refuses to start
im starting with debug-init but im not sure what's going on
jordanb_
It's easy to be dismissive when you regard yourself an expert without reading the source materia. :P
fledermaus
define "refuses to start"
defn
sorry that's somewhat incorrect
it starts, but doesnt get past loading package.el
Warning (initialization): An error occurred while loading `/Users/defn/.emacs':
fledermaus
jordanb_: or when the entire body of orthodox accepted free market ideologues completely fails to spot a market crash coming
defn
Wrong type argument: arrayp, nil
fledermaus
repeatedly
,debug-init
fsbot
I think bisect is [0] To find a problematic form in your .emacs: comment out half, and try to reproduce the problem. You should now know which half causes the problem. Recurse as necessary.
[1] Don't use this to find the cause of a lisp error; instead start emacs with --debug-init., ..[Type ,more]
fledermaus
,more
fsbot
[2] In other words, if an error is not signalled, use bisect.
jordanb_
fledermaus: Firstly,mainstream economists mostly aren't 'free market ideologues'
jabot
i think a major part of the problem with economics is that flaws in every theory tend to be actively exploited...
jordanb_
fledermaus: Even monatarists like Milton Freidman.
fledermaus
that loopy nutter
he has serious mental problems as far as I can tell
jordanb_
fledermaus: Secondly, sure.. there's ideological obnoxiousness in the field
But
Even if you were to go to the right wing of mainstream economists: the monatarists.
You'd have a hard time finding someone who didn't believe that countercyclical deficits were a good thing.
Yet the internet 'experts' froth at the mouth about it.
fledermaus
yo umean like all the ones currently writing letters to the FT in support of the tories here saying the deficit is a bad thing?
jordanb_
I don't know who you;re talking about.
fledermaus
yep, they were hard to find all right.
jordanb_
You can find neo-classical economists in academia, just like you can still find marxist economists.
fledermaus
jordanb_: bunch of leading economists here got togetehr and wrote letters to newspapers saying "deficits bad, we need harsh budget cuts now"
jordanb_
They're not the mainstream though. The mainstream are between Keynsianists and Monatarists.
fledermaus
Nobody listens to the keynesians, it's all monetarism, all the time.
jordanb_
Whatever man.
My point is that countercyclical deficits are regarded by monetarists as generally being a good thing too.
They have some caveats about wanting to maintain control of the money supply, but they're largely in agreement.
tedddd
mainstream academic economics is dominated by neo-keynesians (keynesian + neo-classical, but not really either)
defn
ls
fledermaus
defn: did you try --debug-init?
crasglen
jordanb_, tedddd et al: I think your in the wrong channel, try ##econometrics for example
jordanb_
crasglen: Thanks for your channel policing.
We need more people around here to keep things on track. We must not drift away from the topic of whale killing.
hanDerPeder
when I do semantic-analyse-possible-completions I get 'cannot find types for `vector v`'. Doing this after the dot following a vector reference. Is there something I have to do to enable a semanticdb?
shabble
kill -HARPOON?
fledermaus
hanDerPeder: no idea. is it an error or a message?
jordanb_
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02LgdXVkXgM
hanDerPeder
fledermaus: probably a message since I haven't made a db file, so I'm basically asking how to accomplish this. The documentation is pretty confusing to me.
fledermaus
hanDerPeder: try following the code for that function, see where the error originates
hanDerPeder: http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/DebugMessages
may also be helpful
hanDerPeder
ok, thanks
how come allot of the documented functions of cedet, like 'semanticdb-create-ebrowse-database' are not available with M-x?
jordanb_
Heh
swathanthran
anyone tried ,,oauth.el?
fsbot
jordanb_
,cedet
fsbot
cedet is [0] at http://cedet.sourceforge.net/
[1] at http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?CEDET,
[2] Collection of Emacs Development Environment Tools,
[3] Here There Be Dragons,
[4] http://xtalk.msk.su/~ott/en/writings/emacs-devenv/EmacsCedet.html, ..[Type ,more]
swathanthran
(Action) is banging at it for last two days
and is yet to get even the access_token
:(
fledermaus
no tried it
+t
snogglethorpe
hanDerPeder: M-x is not for invoking general functions; M-x only works with "commands" -- i.e., functions intended for interactive use
swathanthran
http://github.com/psanford/emacs-oauth thats the one i am using to add oauth support to my client. it works for twitter but not for identi.ca
snogglethorpe
hanDerPeder: you can use M-: (fun ...) RET for arbitrary functions
swathanthran
oauth-explorer works for identi.ca but when i try oauth.el for identi.ca i get request_token. and i could authorize it in the browser, but when i proceed to get access_token it gives 401 unauthorized "invalid signature"
http://pastebin.ca/1840491 thats a parameter comparison of oauth-explorer at http://sevengoslings.net/~fangel/oauth-explorer/ and modified oauth.el (modified to make it pass all the parameter through url too)
jordanb_
rudybot: quote
rudybot
ISO/IEEE/ANSi need taken out back and shot.
hanDerPeder
snogglethorpe: thanks! bit of elementary emacs knowledge I've missed out on
fledermaus
(Action) sleeps
lisppaste
swathanthran pasted "diff of modified oauth.el" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/96392
swathanthran
and to add to the game. oauth.el works with twitter
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