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koyote
good, rather
symbian? ha.
JordiGH
Ahdno, smoke signals, perhaps.
greboides
koyote: there is one free i think
karme
netbook+umts stick
JordiGH
There's FreeRunner, but I think it's discontinued.
e1f
androids aren't open source? i thought they were
and that's why symbian was opensourced today
JordiGH
e1f: They have an open API, right? But non-freedom underneath?
e1f: Holy sh*t.
e1f
it's a linux kernel on the android
which parts are closed?
JordiGH
e1f: I'm sure ams can find something wrong with it, but he's not responding.
         

koyote
I was being specific about android for a reason
fualo
I'm getting a message saying flyspell mode gave an error, but without any reference as to what it may be
e1f
"Google released most of the Android code under the Apache License, a free software and open source license."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_%28operating_system%29
koyote
of course, the really IMPORTANT question- is there a decent RPN calculator for android?
e1f
bpalmer has an android
i don't know whether he uses it though
technomancy
the Google-branded apps are closed
and the hardware schematics aren't openly licensed like the freerunner
but it's pretty easy to go all free-software
dim
the freerunner is free but won't be able to handle phone calls
e1f
there are several rpn calculators for android it seems
technomancy
well... who uses voice these days anyway
dim
after like 18 months waiting I offered myself an iPhone
thanks guys
technomancy
(Action) has a nexus and has only ever made test calls on it
dim
technomancy: ask my girlfriend :)
technomancy
dim: time to upgrade her to sip. =)
dim
sip?
fsbot
hmm, sip is a Python/C++ Binding Generator at http://www.riverbankcomputing.co.uk/sip/index.php
technomancy
voip
dim
ahah, yes
route drop!
still she apparently *needs* voice
JordiGH
dim: My girlfriend extorted me to get a phone too.
dim: Not as bad as an iPhone, though.
Well... I chose more benevolent master.
dim
iPhone was my choice in fact, so that I get to read mails while in commute
JordiGH
dim: I read novels in commute, and I think it's a pity you read emails instead.
         

technomancy
novels are awesome
dim
the criteria were: easy to sync with the computer, which by then was a macbook, possible to read mails in the public transports
novels I used to read a lot of them
JordiGH
We won't even need a right to read soon, because we won't even want to exercise it.
dim
now it's mails and playing Go :)
JordiGH
Why do people capitalise go?
dim
to mimic how they read it?
JordiGH
Do you also play Chess and Checkers and other Games of Great Edification?
dim
only Go, I have 24 hours a day only, and dislikes Chess
technomancy
JordiGH: to distinguish from the programming language, maybe?
JordiGH
I haven't managed to hold my girlfriend's daughter's attention long enough to teach her go.
fledermaus
dim: get an n900
JordiGH
technomancy: From issue 9, you mean?
dim
fledermaus: is it a phone?
fledermaus
... yes
technomancy
quite
ams
JordiGH: i don't need to find fault with open source it is faulty by definition.
dim
(Action) is happy with iPhone / iMac nowadays
fledermaus
bleh, iphone
JordiGH
dim: The happy iConsumer.
ams
i've heard people are happy in prison too
fledermaus
crappy locked down single tasking device, imo
dim
JordiGH: oh yeah
technomancy
it's called Stockholm Syndrome
dim
ams: at some point some people make what's called a compromise
JordiGH
Remember that Cipher wanted to be jacked back in, heh.
technomancy
a fairly well-documented psychological anomaly
JordiGH
Between gritty Zion and the Matrix... most choose the Matrix.
ams
dim: compromising freedom is never an option
dim
I prefer being able to plug the guitar and enjoy playing rather than reading manuals about the sound in linux, oss / alsa / jack / esd / ... and still having crappy software and no way to record my guitar
fledermaus
dim: ah, you're spreading anti-n900 fud, I see
dim
fledermaus: really?
fledermaus
and anti linux fud
JordiGH
dim: When I bite this steak, I am told it is soft, chewy, and juicy. It's delicious.
dim
linux, the only kernel with sources that are deprecated quicker than written :)
technomancy
dim: when was the last time you actually used it?
dim
fledermaus: it was a real question
technomancy
I haven't had sound problems since 2006
dim
the n800 wasn't a phone right?
koyote
is nokia still using the castrated linux?
fledermaus
the n900 is a phone.
koyote
maemo, I think
fledermaus
"castrated"?
JordiGH
technomancy: I've heard sound people really hate Linux.
damd
depenified
dim
technomancy: @ work I won't have sound, in 2.6.29, and more recent kernels won't boot
technomancy: try recording a live instrument then making an overdub, too
fledermaus
depenified?
koyote
fledermaus: I could do more with my old sharp than I could with my N800
dim
fledermaus: I'm guenuinely asking
fledermaus
depenified isn't even a word. what do you mean by it?
dim: genuinely asking what?
damd
fledermaus: the same as castrated
dim
fledermaus: if the N900 is a phone
koyote
like... compile onboard. have a real X environment, run regular software, including emacs.
fledermaus
I already said yes at least oncde.
JordiGH
,dict depenified
fsbot
Oh sh**! No match for "depenified" with strategy "." in dictionary "*".
fledermaus
koyote: yes, you can do all those things.
koyote
castration is removal of balls, no penii
dim
yes then said I was doing anti-n900 prpaganda
JordiGH
damd: Hm, I thought castration usually involved the testes?
dim
ok, time to sleep
see you guys! :)
JordiGH
dim: Sweet iDreams.
koyote
fledermaus: okay, back when I had my N800 the Maemo gospell was that the device "wasn't capable" of a real linux environment
dim
ahah
hober
Hmm. How can I ask Emacs, "what coding system did you use to decode this file when I opened it?"
fledermaus
koyote: that was symbian team FUD, aiui, not maemo gospel
JordiGH
hober: M-x describe-coding-system or something like that.
fledermaus
the symbian team loathe maemo
hober
JordiGH: bingo. thanks
technomancy
is symbian's freeing of their codebase anything more than a desperate far-too-late bid for relevancy?
koyote
fledermaus: no, that was a quote from #maemo
JordiGH
technomancy: That's what that article claims.
fledermaus
*shrug* dunno who you were talking to, they were lying
damd
JordiGH: detestified doesn't sound as good
fualo
does emacs come with ispell? and dicts?
damd
fualo: no
fledermaus
actually, I dunno about the 800, 810 onwards has been a real env afaik
fualo
thanks damd
koyote
I never managed to get a bog standard x environment.
fledermaus
koyote: errr... the display on an n900 _is_ X
koyote
okay. Still $500 is about 5x what I can get a G1 for. that's a problem
fledermaus
so get an n900 on contract
technomancy
koyote: really, it's USD100 for an unlocked, no-contract G1?
augustl
so where can I buy shirts with Emacs logos on them? :)
koyote
technomancy: no, not at all. my current contract has expired.
and no carriers I know of are offering the N900 on contract in the US
fualo
I am having the damndest time trying to get ispell to pick up dictionaries... any ideas? I installed ispell and I thought en_US came with it
technomancy
yeah, getting into a contract with an organization as untrustworthy as a US telco is a terrible idea
no argument there
koyote
*shrug* I've been on t-mo for 6 years
fledermaus
t-mobile are rumoured to be picking up the n900
technomancy
koyote: well, t-mobile is german
fledermaus
anyway, back to hildonising emacs for the n900
technomancy
which might explain why they're the least abusive of the US carriers
fr0og
(Action) is ready to ditch longlines in favour of visual-line-mode
anyone had any nasty surprises with visual-line-mode ?
fualo
M-: (ispell-valid-dictionary-list) gives me english as a valid word dict, but (setq ispell-dictionary "english") does not work...
koyote
if Tmo really does pick up the 900 I'll consider it
I'd go $300 for it, probably.
technomancy
quite a bit slower than the nexus
fualo
it says the file "/usr/local/lib/aspell-0.60/american can not be opened... but the command I entered above said it was a valid dict
technomancy
I guess it's a question of how important X is
fledermaus
technomancy: the nexus forces you to write apps in meta-java, it has to be faster
or have they abandoned dalvik?
technomancy
fledermaus: well, you have to be on the JVM, doesn't necessarily have to be Java
(Action) wrote non-java for his android last night
fr0og
technomancy: non-java == clojure?
technomancy
fr0og: unfortunately dalvik's GC is pretty primitive compared to hotspot, so persistent data structures pay a big penalty
I was using Duby, this crazy experimental lightweight JVM language
the bytecode output is nearly identical to Java, but it has type inference, closures, etc.
fr0og
technomancy: I see, pity
technomancy
Kawa works though: http://per.bothner.com/blog/2009/AndroidHelloScheme/
JRuby works too, but the boot time is painful
in my usage of my phone so far there have been very few "I wish this program that runs on my laptop worked on my phone"
actually zero instances so far
since the interaction mechanism is so wildly different
koyote
I've been a qwerty handheld user since the 90s- phone or not phone
the N800 sort of almost had a pim suite 25% as capable as the HP200Lx.
quotemstr
,tld .pr
fsbot
I think pl is [0] an abbreviation for Programming Language
[1] the TLD for Poland.,
[2] the file extension for Prolog source code, as well as a common file extension for Perl source code (but use .plx for Perl dammit)
fualo
can someone please help with aspell?
aspell check of file works, echo "test " | aspell -a
aidalgol
fualo: I use aspell with Emacs. What's the problem?
fualo
thanks aidalgol - I can't get it working on OS X with Emacs 23
aidalgol
Ooo, I'm on Linux, so I might not be much help.
fualo
aidalgol: relevant /emacs http://dpaste.com/154720/
aidalgol
What have you got so far?
fualo
aidalgol: it cant find the en_US dict
even though Ive installed the file from GNU.org
aidalgol: can you post your .emacs?
aidalgol
Which flavour of Emacs are you using?
fualo
Emacs 23 Cocoa
standard emacs pretty mcuh
aidalgol
Hang on, I have to do something quickly. I'll be back in about 5 mins.
kensanata
fualo: Check out http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/AlexSchroederConfigPyrobombus and search for "english"
That's my config.
fualo
thanks kensanata
kensanata
fualo: As for the files -- I have them in /usr/local/lib/aspell-0.60
including an english.alias
aidalgol
Sorry about that, fualo.
Have you fixed it?
fualo
aidalgol: no worries I think I may have gotten it
aidalgol
OK
jlf
,yow
fsbot
Do I have a lifestyle yet?
fualo
is there a clever way to not turn on color-themes if emacs is run in a terminal
technomancy
(when (not window-system) [...enable color-themes...])
jlf
(Action) prefers (unless window-system [...])
fualo
technomancy: ruddy brilliant
thanks
damd
i prefer (if (eq window-system nil) [...])
(not really though)
fualo
wait, these turn *off* the colors in a window theme?
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