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quotemstr: always.
dim
ok now if emacs still accept to start :)
wow it does
ahah, forgot to activate the new setup :)
is it expected that I have to add manually ~/.emacs.d to the load-path?
quotemstr
dim: Yes.
bpalmer
for non-.emacs, certainly
or init.el
dim
it's from ~/.emacs.d/init.el
so it looks strange
I mean it's already loading from there
bpalmer
oh, you're trying to require from .emacs.d/init.el ? Hmm.
rgr
thats default
bpalmer
it should first search in the "current directory"
but there's no requirement that the "current directory" be changed.
dim
yeah I require from init.el things that are in ~/dev/emacs.d/ that then require things in ~/.emacs.d
I'm goind to have ~/dev/emacs.d/lib
that'd solve it maybe
         

bpalmer
ok, so you need to have a load-path addition
dim
I have some already, yes
I'm surprised I have to keep manually adding ~/.emacs.d
bob2
you add it once
dim
yeah but I'm cleaning up
quotemstr
that's what she said.
dim
:)
wow it starts
,about
fsbot
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dim
,splash
fsbot
From memory, splash is [0] a work of art whose creation is documented at http://www.ee.ryerson.ca/~elf/emacs/logo/
[1] to disable it try --no-splash or (setq inhibit-startup-message t)
quotemstr
Let's all fly nude.
Old_Spike0
He, he! I have just discovered that Emacs can do IRC. Wonderful! :-)
quotemstr
Old_Spike0: Congratulations.
dim
[magit]: I have to tell git I'm moving files?!
quotemstr
Old_Spike0: Have you found M-x tetris yet?
Old_Spike0
quotemstr, Oh, yes. I love it. I just have to learn a way to change cursor keys for emacs or vi ones.
quotemstr
,reportit
fsbot
I heard reportit is Found a bug? Good. Tell us about it by using M-x report-emacs-bug
quotemstr
awsd would be a good set of bindings.
Old_Spike0
quotemstr, it remembers me the old times, playing with my ZX Spectrum...
quotemstr
Hrm, another bug.
My tetris-scores file has this line:
-359817875 danielcolascione Daniel Colascione <dan.colascione@gmail.com> Thu May 8 00:04:05 2008
Did I win?
         

bpalmer
hacks.
paradroid
Anyone here use emms & mpd?
cluck
Old_Spike0: emacs can do a lot more than that :)
rgr
paradroid: i do
DuClare
Emacs can do IRC but it doesn't do it very well :(
bpalmer
in what way?
rgr
DuClare: nonsense. erc is better than irssi which I am using now.
Old_Spike0
cluck , I know but I am only starting to discover it. My first contact was with vi, you know :-D
rgr
paradroid: it was a general query or you have a problem with it?
oh, erc doesnt tell me when the day changes like irssi just did though ;)
bpalmer
... day changes?
"Your luck has turned. Go home and hide."
rgr
I'm still waiting for that heretic DuClare to back up his fighting talk ..
DuClare
rgr, Missing & incomplete & unpolished features; lots of useful features which make it messier to configure when you want something that's not in there at all
Bugs
rgr
so no real points to make then?
what missing and incomplete features? What bugs?
bpalmer
peace.
wgreenhouse
rgr: you can always use the Emacs calendar with appt-activate if you really need some kind of visual alert that it's now midnight and a new day is beginning :-)
DuClare
rgr, Are you claiming you've never seen people mass-hilight everyone here because erc's "feature" inserts the log after the prompt, making the users start flooding when they do something?
rgr
I know. In fact I just turned that off because regular checks of org files caused to to bring my emacs to a halt.
yes. I think.
DuClare
rgr, Unpolished features such as /mode, which don't allow you to take shortcuts (i.e. omit the channel name to make a mode change for the current channel)
rgr
But I'd like to know where this "not very well" thing is from. All SW has pros and cons. But erc is probably the easiest/nicest client I have used when you consider you have the rest of the emacs structure behind it too.
I find irssi to be a bit of a joke in comparison especially because of its awful window design.
DuClare
Well, yes
Irssi does a better job at IRC-specific features, whereas ERC is nicer in some areas because it's backed up by emacs features (which are not IRC-specific)
bpalmer
DuClare: note that will be client dependent.
DuClare
Another problem with ERC is lack of documentation
rgr
I'm trying to look up irssi ignore features now and its generally one big mess IMO.
bpalmer
DuClare: (there are, what, 7 irc clients for emacs/xemacs/etc)
rgr
I think the erc docs are more than adequate.
DuClare
And recently I hit another bug in which it'd suddenly claim there's no server process, but on top of that, it'd also pretty much freeze emacs (I try to switch to another buffer or something, it just complains about the server process)
Had to kill emacs :<
rgr
never had that
bpalmer
DuClare: so for interface/incomplete features/etc, it's likely an issue with the particular client you're using, not the underlying issue of emacs/xemacs/whathaveyou
,ircclients
fsbot
I think ircclients is erc, zenirc, liece, riece, irchat, kiwi, rockers (irc-mode), emirc, rcirc, circe, elim
ryoma
rcirc works fine for me; erc would also if i felt like changing its faces
bpalmer
sorry, 11 clients, not 7
DuClare
bpalmer, Yes, I admit I haven't got much experience with other clients
But since rcirc and erc ship with emacs, and since rgr was using erc, why not talk about them ..
bpalmer
zenirc does as well
DuClare
What else? Well, the colour theme system is kinda f'ed up, and if you happen to load some erc modules in the wrong order (never documented btw), you'll end up without the faces you'd expect
wgreenhouse
bpalmer: hmm, whoever put elim on that list was being a tad optimistic. it's (a) an unstable alpha and (b) not strictly speaking an Emacs application, but just an elisp frontend to libpurple. promising if it ever gets finished, but not really day-to-day usable at the moment
DuClare
That's all I can remember, but there's a lot more. I was about to fill the FSF copyright assignment and start maintaining ERC, but then I figured I'll be better off writing a new client from scratch .. yeah, yet another dead, incomplete project, should I ever get coding.. :/
bpalmer
wgreenhouse: I believe fledermaus uses it day-to-day, but...
wgreenhouse
bpalmer: for some reason his much earlier commits (6 months ago, and on the Gentoo system I no longer have) worked better for me than the recent ones. not sure whether to blame purple, elim, or Emacs
dim
how do I figure out if w3m is available, and if I must call (require 'w3m-load) to activate it?
technomancy
dim: require takes a noerror arg that will make it return nil in case of failure; that's probably what you want
dim
yes, in fact. thx
bpalmer
not present in older versions of emacs/xemacs; if you care about backwards compatibility, use ignore-errors around it
dim
well I'm running emacs23 only it seems
but (require 'w3m-load nil t) ?
seems to be it
wgreenhouse
hmm, riece looks interesting
dim
wow and now a 65 lines ~/.emacs.d/init.el
white lines and comments included
wgreenhouse
impressive. most impressive.
dim
wgreenhouse: I don't talk about all the files arround, do I?
:)
909 total
wgreenhouse
dim: yeah, but I'm impressed because you just did what I haven't had the motivation to do yet
dim
it's been *months* since I've begin thinking about it
and I had to setup 3 accounts without having my support files in the lib/ subdir, so I was prety fed up
"oh escreen.el, sure. oh buffer-move.el, yeah" etc
rgr
,...
rudybot
Woof.
fsbot
[In the distance, you hear a dog bark]
Guest76822
,flame
fsbot
Guest76822: may your next reservation be at Hotel California
rgr
Ignore
Ober
what is the function C-h b is assigned to?
found it. hmm C-h b is not working in console. C-h deletes backwards
benny
C-h k C-h b
consolers
jey translations
try F1-b
i have C-h bound to backspace in emacs myself
though i rarely use it
Ober
yeah major pita
console vs graphical
consolers
not really
Ober
trying to do console and nothing works :P. C-/ becomes C-_
consolers
not for me! you probably have a vendor related setting which is causing you grief
Ober
C-h does not deletes backwards in graphics
yeah true
like C-f and C-F come across both as C-f
consolers
ober, it doesnt delete backward in console. C-/ stays C-/ if your TERM/terminal capabilities line up, and emacs is emacs -Q
i'd cast stones at your vendor config
Ober
well given I use freeware it wasn't vended :P
I see you rpoint
point
consolers
cant expect the packagers to have a clue
your vendor is your packager
Ober
"check this out!. hmm wait that did not work... or that... damn emacs" :P
consolers
the middleman who got between your upstream freeware supplier and yourself
Ober
it's not linux if that's what you mean :P
very minimal xterm
probably term type
consolers
pssh
just use a dos window if its dos
Ober
yeah term type has C-/ and C-h both mapped
didi
OT: Does someone know where I can read about the "branch and bound" technique?
ryoma
didi: it's an ai technique used sometimes in psychology
didi
ryoma: I kind of understand how it works, although I can say if you are joking or not about the "psychology" thing. I am just very confused about the upper and lower bounds.
s/can/can't
quotemstr
Pj. htrs/y
Oh, great.
It now seems to be a common libetarian fu*ktard theme that voting should be correlated to taxpaying.
So you pay more taxes and... you get more votes?
What kind of OBVIOUS stupidity is that?
rgr
people who pay no taxes should have no vote ...
quotemstr
rgr: You seriously think that?
technomancy
you mean like incarcerated felons and children?
rgr
to a degree yes. ie tax dodgers should get no vote.
and unemployed people should be made into pies ...
quotemstr
rgr: Okay, Sweeney Todd.
technomancy
I could see an argument for limiting it to people who file.
quotemstr
technomancy: They're talking about making the vote *proportional* to taxes paid.
That's crazy talk.
technomancy
hah; wow. yes.
you would at *least* want a logarithmic scale to dampen it.
=)
rgr
Who is? Not in the UK for sure.
quotemstr
rgr: Libertarian fu*ktards on Slashdot.
rgr
oh. internet morons.
technomancy
quotemstr: I do agree with you, but when you talk like that I get flashbacks to xahlee
quotemstr
Who think the deficit is more important than people eating, and who use the phrase "taxpayer" at least twice a sentence.
technomancy: Fair enough.
technomancy
actually the word he used was "fu*kface" but still...
quotemstr
technomancy: I only reserve that kind of language for people I really believe are irredeemable. Still...
consolers
what did i miss
technomancy
that certainly helps
consolers: slashdot users! don't you miss 'em?
quotemstr
consolers: My whining that there are people so utterly ignorant of political history that they think it's a good idea to make a person's voting power proportional to his tax burden.
consolers
ah, forrrums
shabble
s/ of.*//
consolers
excellent idea!
and you object to this because you hate america??
fsbot
mu!
consolers
maybe i should upgrade my linux distro!
bremner
cue ams
quotemstr
consolers: install Slackware.
consolers
i still have a slackware 3.0 distro backed up on a 60M tape
i almost found a tape reader to read that a few years ago
fledermaus
,ping
fsbot
pong
consolers
no, my distro of choice is opensuse
quotemstr
Suse isn't bad.
I used to run it.
consolers
as long as its delivered on dvd
quotemstr
DVD? The plastic artifact? How quaint.
consolers
and i think i have a dvd in the mail ..
well the box i install it on doesnt have a dvd writer etc
and its now 10 years old.
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