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ams
really annoying when people give sh*te advice
francogrex
ams: yes it actually needed the setq
now it works
ams
no it doesn't
francogrex
when I make mistakes it highlights them
ams
you're completley and utterly wrong, youdon't need to set ispell-program-name
francogrex
ams; what's you're problem? I just told you it doesn't work without it
ams
period, and of story.
yeah well, then you're a liar.
(or (locate-file "aspell" exec-path exec-suffixes 'file-executable-)p
that is the code.
23:10 /ignore francogrex
francogrex
ams: you are an imbecile
benny
:-D
         

cvandusen
ah, but a well-meaning imbecile
greboides
,forget aspell 1
fsbot
whoops, Number should be "all" or lie between 0 and 0
technomancy
francogrex: conversations like this unfortunately occur with great regularity here
francogrex: and they always end the same way: ams: /ignore $NICK
benny
well, you can't argue with the code... you don't need to set ispell-program-name
francogrex
technomancy: he must be told he's a stupid freak
benny
you can do that to avoid setting exec-path, but you don't need to and you run later into problems again due to a broken exec-path
francogrex
benny: ok, but the way i did it now works as well so
cvandusen
(Action) is going to try it when next he restarts emacs
benny
you don't need to try anything by restarting emacs, you can run code interactively
technomancy
francogrex: that happens with some regularity as well
cvandusen
curiosity killed the cat (or the setq)
ams
really.. is this continuing>
francogrex
technomancy: well then a more severe punishment perhaps
ams
it is like arguing with a kid who shoplifted...
Kid: No no, sir, those are my panties...
Officer: Uhm, right, you're a boy, so why not admit that you stole them?
benny
great analogy, it's like I'm there
ams
Kid: But i wear panties!!! pink ones, with blut spots
greboides
hehe
ams
O: so why is the price tag still on?
K: cause uhm... i always keep the price tag?
...
cvandusen
Would this be the correct test: 1. setq ispell-program-name to nil, 2. try to enable flyspell-mode in a buffer?
         

ams
no
don't set it.
cvandusen
well, it was already set
ams
if you set it to nil, youwon't have any spell program, period.
yes
cause that is what it shouldd be
jeez, look at the code, it sets it
benny
,path
fsbot
try: CategoryPaths ElispPaths EmacsAndOperatingSystemPathMerged ExecPath ff-paths InfoPath load-path loadpath loadpathological PathBreadcrumbs pathreg.el PathToRecovery TheTruePath windowspath XPath xpath-parser.el xpath.el
benny
,execpath
fsbot
ExecPath -- at http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ExecPath
ams
why don't peple listen.. :(
benny
if you have a working $PATH when you start emacs, you will never run into a situation where emacs doesn't know about an app that your shell knows about
cvandusen
shell, or emacs in general?
ams
PATH is a shell only variable
cvandusen
ok
but is exec-path derived from $PATH?
ams
maybe.
benny
yes
ams
why don't you ... i dunno! look at the source code?!
benny: depends.
someoperating systems, don't have a PATH variable.
cvandusen
if I did that I wouldn't have need to hang around here, basking in the warm fuzzies
benny
nice, I would have thought RMS sprinkled some fairy dust to make the OS magically create a PATH so exec-path can take its value
ams
benny: why?
/* Check the EMACSPATH environment variable, defaulting to the
PATH_EXEC path from epaths.h. */
Vexec_path = decode_env_path ("EMACSPATH", PATH_EXEC);
cvandusen
I had a situation just a couple of hours ago where I was trying to run sql-mysql, but it complained because ti couldn't find mysql
ams
it is sysem specific.
cvandusen
I checked my $PATH and the path to it was there
it wasn't until I added that path to exec-path that it was able to work
ams
you mean directory.
a path contains a list of directories.
it doen't contain paths.
benny
cvandusen: try get on his ignore list, that will keep you safe for 30 minutes
ams
path ::= delimited list of directories
cvandusen
benny: well, I want to understand this
ams
having, path ::= delimited list of paths, would be ...silly.
cvandusen
I asked about this last week(?), but the answers I got then were...unenlightening
benny
what's there to understand? you set $PATH and emacs has them in exec-path in a list
cvandusen
not so FME
benny
write a script that tests this a thousand times using the batch mode of emacs and then you know
cvandusen
unless I fall into the system specific corner case
ams
read the source code.
benny
I'm pretty sure you're mistaken ;-)
ams
benny: exec-path is system specific
cvandusen
I'll read it in my copious free time
benny
ams: what? to my system vs. your system?
ams
benny: as i said several times: some systems do not have PATH, exec-path is not derived from PATH on those systems.
benny
and as I have said, I thought that's impossible because rms has the power of magic
cvandusen
ams: I would consider *that* a corner case
ams
benny: in other words, you have no technical argument, and resort to petty and childish personal mud slinging.
benny
wtf?
ams
cvandusen: it isn't, windows is such a platform.
cvandusen
you little shoplifter, you! :)
ams
read the source.
benny
I mean I get that you have a severe case of autism, but come on... if you can't read "magic dust" without realizing that nobody in this argument uses a system that falls into that category
ignore me again please, you are so tiresome :-P
cvandusen
regardless of market share, that's one OS. How many commonly used OSes have PATH?
jlf
"<ams> yeah well, then you're a liar." + "<ams> benny: in other words, you have no technical argument, and resort to petty and childish personal mud slinging." = lol
cvandusen
who's wearing the pink panties now?
ams
resorting to `magic dust' and blaming rms for god knows what is petty and chidlish personal mud slinging.
benny
I'm now blaming him? someone without asperger please proof read my sentence
cvandusen
benny: blaming him for magic dust, no less
benny
magic dust rocks, I wish I had some
cvandusen
I'd give my left nut to be blamed for using magic dust
ams
more childish bullsh*t.
cvandusen
which file is exec-path dealt with in the source?
benny
if everything is installed correctly, C-h v exec-path RET and then going to `C source code' will work
ams
read the docstring.
cvandusen
I got this in callproc.c:
DEFVAR_LISP ("exec-path", &Vexec_path,
doc: /* *List of directories to search programs to run in subprocesses.
Each element is a string (directory name) or nil (try default directory). */);
ams
yes.
now learn what DEFVAR_LISP does.
jlf
,yow
fsbot
I'm pretending I'm pulling in a TROUT! Am I doing it correctly??
cvandusen
I would imagine it defines lisp vars from within C, but my time here grows short
snogglethorpe
what's the unicode music note symbol that fonts have...?
when i try to insert e.g. MUSICAL SYMBOL QUARTER NOTE
it doesn't display generally
but i thought there were some that were widely supported...
webben
snogglethorpe: Does emacs tend to automatically find a font that includes the character if your chosen face doesn't include it?
snogglethorpe
webben: yes
but i know that i've seen musical note in text in blogs etc, which seemed to be normal unicode chars
but if i try the obvious things, even my web browser won't display them except as a box
kenyon
heh, I've seen that musical note character in this channel
snogglethorpe
yeah
webben
snogglethorpe: try the test pages at http://www.alanwood.net/unicode/#links to locate it maybe
snogglethorpe
somtiems coverage varies a lot even within a group of related characters, so..
ah
hacim
does anyone have a good way to configure emacs to open a new tab in firefox when you click on a link?
snogglethorpe
there's M-x list-charset-chars RET unicode-bmp ...
benny
,browse-url
fsbot
I heard Browse-URL is [0] (info "(emacs)Browse-URL")
[1] http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/BrowseUrl
benny
hacim: ^
hacim
benny: ah! M-x customize-apropros found it for me :)
Ober2
sometimes (point) seems not to work.
snogglethorpe
ah
jk l
Ober2
nice!
those actually render in erc
Sketch
of course
Ober2
(shell-command-on-region (+ (point) 4) (+ (point) 16) "~/getdbent_single defect" (get-buffer-create "Ticket Info")) ;; sometimes this works. other times (point) does not seem to resolve
snogglethorpe
Never gonna give you up k
i Never gonna let you down
jlf
snogglethorpe: now do all your base!!1
e1f
(Action) orders 'logicomix' and 'the strangest man', bot books about math and physics-- subjects he loves but finds terribly difficult
(Action) will review them in due course
jlf
fsbot may find those interesting
e1f
'logicomix' is a comic book about math, specifically bertrand russell's quest
jlf
e1f: you may also be interested in papadimitriou's _turing_ 1
e1f
i think amazon recommended something else, uncle petros and something or other
jlf
it has a blurb knuth
from knuth even
e1f
i have my doubts about knuth's reading tastes as i onece looked up a book me mentioned at a google lecture. it was a novel that involved the lhc; i forget the title. and i tried reading the opening page and the writing was excerable
snogglethorpe
e1f: read this book: http://www.amazon.com/Physically-Based-Rendering-Implementation-Interactive/dp/012553180X/ref=tmm_hrd_title_0
(or... wait a few months until the 2nd ed comes out)
e1f
(Action) is previewing charles burns' 'black hole' at the moment
interesting opening and berable art
snogglethorpe
(unlike most "implementation details" books, he both understands and explains the underlying math and physics in great detail; it's about 10 million times better than every other book on ray tracing i've seen)
(and also unlike most "implementation details" books, he actually does the real thing, not a simplified eazy version)
e1f
wow 1056 pages
snogglethorpe
that's the main downside of the book ... :(
damn hard to stuff in your bag...
e1f
perfect for the kindle
but with colour
snogglethorpe
e1f: sadly i think it wouldn't work so well.. it's a book where having large pages, and quick flipping back and forth is _really_ necessary...
i find myself with about 10 bookmark typically
because so many different parts are highly interdependent
and even a single page you really need to see the whole thing... e.g., for referencing a big equation at the same time as the text explaining it
a fast-update large-screen kindle might suffice...
but..
i think photocopies are the way to go for now...
maybe the apple tablet! but it will probably be a battery sucker...
(tho at least it will be satisfying to see MS get its butt kicked in the tablet market, which it's been trying and trying and trying to kickstart for about 20 years, always with approximately zero results...)
steve jobs may be a control-freak nutbag, but he's ace at MS pwning...
jlf
what the kindle needs is C-x 2/3, so you can view different pages simultaneously
snogglethorpe
jlf: but the size seems small enought that it quickly becomes painful...
jlf
(Action) handwaves
get michael arrington on the job!
e1f
the rumours say that the tablet will have the new low-power cpu from pa semiconductor
snogglethorpe
e1f: i don't think that will be enough...
e1f: cpu is typically not the main problem
e1f
the lcd will have an led backlight
technomancy
which means eyestrain
vs the kindle anyway
e1f
i would guess 3-5 hrs battery time
snogglethorpe
yeah but the kindle gets what, 50?
jlf
apple have made a breakthrough in which the system will be powered by pure enthusiasm
snogglethorpe
and that doesn't include time staring at the page...
jlf: how about pure control freakery?
technomancy
it's closest they'll get to harnessing perpetual motion
jlf
what do linux users have to do with it?
snogglethorpe
jlf: BATTERY: YOU WILL NOT DIE. W I L L N O T.
e1f
by this time wednesday we will now
know
snogglethorpe
anyway yes, we will know
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