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specksynder
,yow
fsbot
I just remembered something about a TOAD!
specksynder
,praise
fsbot
His is the kingdom of the elispland and the editland. He ordains life
and death and has power over all things.
specksynder
rudybot: quote
rudybot
specksynder: LETS!
quotemstr
Should I use clojure/scheme-style separate 'true' and 'false' values, or a CL/elisp style 'nil' and 't' throughout?
bremner
t
quotemstr
Why?
         

bremner
was a feeble attempt at a joke answer to your OR
quotemstr
A better joke answer would have been '() :-)
bremner
(Action) is exposed as not-really-a-lisper
metaperl
:)
specksynder
I declared dotemacs bankruptcy today
spent the morning in cleaning up the cobwebs in the file
Twey
What does () evaluate to in elisp?
quotemstr
specksynder: You mean the government added $30 billion to your ~/.emacs?
,()
fsbot
nil ..(symbol)
Twey
So the quote was unnecessary
specksynder
quotemstr: I wish :) could use the money for my motorcycle dreams!
ams
specksynder: what kind of dreams?
ngz
to Mew users : how do you check your new mail in every folder ? I mean, I have no clue about if I've got email in any folder before moving into it and syncing it.
ams
specksynder: (just curious, cause i got a bike)
dim
specksynder: try having several support file ending with (provide 'feature-x) then in your .emacs a bunch of (require 'feature-x), or in your ~/.emacs.d/init.el
specksynder
ngz: I don't do that - I get all my email into %inbox, and then refile it later, but I have just one email account configured. Are you using multiple accounts?
dim
ngz: I fear the answer is use gnus :)
ngz
specksynder: no, just Gmail, but I have filters (gmail side) that spread my mail in many folders.
specksynder
dim: hmm, what about the need to load those support files?
ngz
dim: I used gnus before, but was not happy with it.
specksynder
dim: still trying Mew?
         

dim
specksynder: (require ...) will do it, you need to adapt load-path before to require and there you go
no I've tried an evening, I'm happy using gnus
ok I have to setup either postfix or msmtp, then dovecot and offlineimap, but there after it's ok
specksynder
dim: hehe :) I could never sift through gnus doc pages - and anyway, I dont read the news, so Mew it is for me :)
ngz
I find strange that Mew can't tell where are new mails.
dim
the way I use IMAP is a lot like nntp, so nnimap is fine
specksynder
Hmm, Mew does not seem to have any active email list - my questions go unanswered
dim
you speak japanese?
specksynder
dim: nope!
dim: isn't english fairly common enough in japan?
ngz
specksynder: http://tinyurl.com/nzkoek
specksynder
What are the options to ansi-term? any one suggest any better?
dim
specksynder: that was a half-troll
ngz
specksynder: are you using bbdb with Mew ? I get plenty of errors when trying to add AKA for example.
specksynder
ngz: no, not yet. Still early days with Mew for me.
ngz
specksynder: I wish wanderlust would not crash whenever I receive a picture larger than the mail window. Mew seems to have some quirks rather hard to get used to.
specksynder
Anyone has any suggestions for ansi-term alternatives?
dim
I use M-x term only at work, and it's fine
quotemstr
Hrm, that's not good.
The first run of my Lisp reader/print just produced "'5" after reading "(foo bar)"
dim
well. no good.
how much do you have to implement in the hosting language before writing only lisp in lisp?
quotemstr
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/Groups/AI/html/cltl/clm/node59.html
dim
I'm thinking about http://lib.store.yahoo.net/lib/paulgraham/jmc.lisp
quotemstr
Though not all of those are strictly necessary.
dim
hey w3m will embed the image into the buffer
mzz
yep
cvandusen
dim: just to spark debate, I'd say that eval would be all you need.
although, a lot is implied by that (eval)
dim
cvandusen: that's exactly what the jmc.lisp link is about
to have eval you need 7 support functions
cvandusen
dim: then my memory of it is not as bad as I thought! :)
I read it a few years ago
dim
;; The Lisp defined in McCarthy's 1960 paper, translated into CL. Assumes only quote, atom, eq, cons, car, cdr, cond.
cvandusen
but, those are the lisp parts, correct?
nm
you've got the part that parses the sexprs, but then something would have to execute those things
specksynder
sexps, ffap - someone could make some jokes out of these
legumbre
specksynder: it's never been done
cvandusen
why did the sexps cross the road?
cytzol
to get to the other )
specksynder
cytzol: LOL
cvandusen
from the you-learn-something-new-everyday dept., I hadn't heard of ffap before, but it doesn't seem to work when point is on a script call within another script. Is this the correct usage?
ah, maybe it's ffap-file-finder
nope
Does anyone know how ffap works?
Wraithan
Say I define a function in my .emacs how do I call that function, I tried M-x function-name and that didn't work
legumbre
(Action) is a ff-find-other-file fan
cvandusen
Wraithan: put (interactive) at the beginning
Wraithan
cvandusen: At the beginning of? the function?
cvandusen
yep
(defun foo () (interactive) ...)
Wraithan
Hmm ok
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2086199/org-mode-table-to-s-expressions/2124075#2124075 -- I got this answer to a question I asked, I am trying to use that function but I don't think I understand properly how it is supposed to work
cvandusen
Wraithan: did you evaluate the function?
Wraithan
cvandusen: yeah, C-x C-e on it (at the end of course) to reevaluate it
specksynder
rudybot: quote
rudybot
specksynder: People who offer podcasts as RSS files only (should/shouldn't) be taken out back and shot.
cytzol
Anyone know a function that marks the current string?
specksynder
What is the origin of these odd ball rudybot quotes?
cytzol
that is, (foo "ba|r") marks everything in between the quotes
paseante1
what is you guys' opinion on emacs starter kit?
http://github.com/technomancy/emacs-starter-kit
specksynder
rudybot: why?
rudybot
specksynder: eh? Try "rudybot: help".
specksynder
rudybot: help
rudybot
specksynder: help [<what>], version, quote, source, seen <nick>, uptime, t8 <from> <to> <text> ..., init [<lang>], eval <expr> ..., give <to> <expr> ..., apropos <str> ..., desc <id>, doc <id>, later "tell" <nick> <something> ...
specksynder
rudybot: source
rudybot
specksynder: http://github.com/offby1/rudybot/commit/5b4afca184f5944353be1699eeb34cf7e2db572b
specksynder
rudybot: later
rudybot
specksynder: expecting: later "tell" <nick> <something> ...
specksynder
rudybot: later
rudybot
specksynder: expecting: later "tell" <nick> <something> ...
quotemstr
Hrm, that's interesting.
Now my reader somehow spit out (nil foo . 0)
jlf`
technomancy|away: do you know which module rebinds C-x C-t to ruby-compilation-this-test ?
christos
hi i know this is stupid .. how do i type C-RET i hit ctrl with enter and i get only RET
cytzol
what's on C-RET i?
oh, wait
quotemstr
Fucking regular expression engine
^(?:($)|(hello)) should not match group 1 if group 2 matches.
jlf`
christos: there is no such thing as C-RET in -nw mode
olognation
,paste
fsbot
[->] I think lisppaste is [0] an auto-announcing listing host (pastebin) <http://paste.lisp.org/new/emacs>, <http://emacswiki.org/wiki/lisppaste>
[1] see ,lisppaste.el for an Emacs interface, ..[Type ,more]
olognation
I just re-made a classic error.
error = /s/string-equal/eq
You could see my error here: http://paste.lisp.org/display/93817
jlf`
olognation: it depends what the meaning of the word "is" is.
olognation
jlf`, Exactly.
snogglethorpe
hey anyone know how to use the "/list" command?
olognation
My spanish-speaking friend swears that having more than one "is" in a language (ser and estar) makes everyone more careful about language.
snogglethorpe
the help says you can use "/list *subst*" to list all channels with "subst" in them
but it doesn't work for me...
e.g. "/list *ema*" doesn't list this channel...
jlf`
snogglethorpe: search http://t0x.in/ircfreenode.html for 'alis'
snogglethorpe
jlf`: ah, ic.... thanks!
jlf`
yw
rgr
#parrotemacs? Wow.
jlf`
(Action) pines for the fjords
snogglethorpe
argh my stupid ISP... drops all connections once or twice a day...
specksynder
,yow
fsbot
By MEER biz doo SCHOIN..
specksynder
,praise
fsbot
23:4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of POSIX, I
will fear no vi: for thou art with me; thy point and thy mark they
comfort me.
snogglethorpe
hm is there a handy way in org-mode to say "create a new sublist inside this entry"?
specksynder
rudybot_: quote
rudybot: quote
quotemstr
,praise
fsbot
39:22 EMACS has now revealed the best of scriptures, a documentation
uniform in style proclaiming promises and warnings. Those who fear
their EMACS are filled with awe as they listen to its revelations, so
that their hearts soften at the remembrance of EMACS. Such is EMACS's ..[Type ,more]
specksynder
,more
fsbot
guidance: He bestows it on whom He will. But he whom EMACS misleads
shall have none to guide him.
specksynder
Emacs misleads? Must be those XEmacs people
jlf`
snogglethorpe: M-RET M-RightArrow ?
snogglethorpe
jlf`: hmm, M-RET seems to create a new entry at the outer level... then M-’ makes it into a level2 list, but.... it still seems to be at the outer level
legumbre_
"Do not throw the arrow which will return against you."
jlf`
legumbre: whoa
hey, pass the bong dude
snogglethorpe
so explosive arrows are the trick?
rambo was a visionary
jlf`
,fortune
fsbot
Tomorrow will be cancelled due to lack of interest.
snogglethorpe
(i always wondered if rambo's name came from q´ ... it seems kinda likely...)
jlf`
how does that translate?
snogglethorpe
like... violence
legumbre
what's that?
oh
specksynder
what's that?
legumbre
"this isn't my war!"
snogglethorpe
"but OTOH, whooo explosives!"
quotemstr
(Action) contemplates a Rambo versus Braveheart versus Mad Max cage match.
snogglethorpe
braveheart always seemed like he was kinda pretty-boying it for the camera tho
legumbre
"You can't direct the wind, but you can adjust your sails."
(Action) remembers all those proverbs from Civilization IV
quotemstr
If you chase two rabbits, you will lose them both.
The Alpha Centauri quotes seemed better though.
snogglethorpe
hmm
quotemstr
(Action) hacks up libtre to use '${1,1}' whenever it sees '$' in a regular expression.
snogglethorpe
is there anyway in org-mode to identify text that should never be hidden, but which doesn't start with a "*"?
(I split my file into two parts "TODO", and "DONE", and I want a nice header like "Completed items:" before the DONE part, without making the header look like an item itself)
jlf`
snogglethorpe: wouldn't those naturally be headlines?
snogglethorpe
i dunno what you mean by "headline"
i have "items", in various lists
of course part of the problem is that I think Emacs outline-mode syntax is a bit yucky, and i'm trying to get org-mode to work with my own particular syntax for lists
jlf`
e.g. * TODO \n ** todo1 \n ** todo2 \n * DONE \n ** done1 \n ** done2 etc
snogglethorpe
jlf`: yeah, that's yucky
yuck!
but org-mode is clever surely it can cope somehow
jlf`
you know about exporting i take it?
snogglethorpe
basically i just want any line that doesn't start with whitespace to always be shown, no matter what
jlf`: i don't want to export, i want to edit a nice (non-yucky) file
jlf`: what i like about org-mode is that by default when i visit the file i get a "reduced" view with all the indented parts of items hidden
and i can easily show an item by hitting TAB
but i kinda want to tweak what it thinks the proper syntax is
maybe there's some regexps somewhere...
i'm going by the view that a file should look nice both as a normal text file, and as a magically viewed fiel
emacs outline-mode syntax is easy to parse, but looks crappy and is a bit hard for humans to read
jlf`
i think it's more typical to simply tag items with their todo state rather thanseparate them spatially
snogglethorpe
jlf`: i agree, and i do that too, but it's annoying to have the todo part of the list cluttered with tons of "DONE" entries
jlf`: so i just re-tag completed items, and also move them to the end of the file
[it'd be cool if org-mode could do that automatically...]
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