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mzz
oh, sure (I just checked, apparently it's 4.4.1)
dim
dpkg -l and gcc --version are things you'd type before having to think about it
mzz
it's not that I don't know how to find out, and if I'd done any serious work involving gcc I might've found out accidentally, but I don't care all that much
dim
I think the point at hand wrt VS people is more that they don't know why it's important to figure out and how than they don't care
mzz
that may very well be true
dim
or they will talk about VS2005 vs VS2008 and that's it
but maybe that only shows a profound disrespect for tech savy people who are not Unixians :)
,g unix hell
fsbot
[google] http://forums.macosxhints.com/archive/index.php/t-3781.html
http://www.dbforums.com/unix-shell-scripts/1637366-how-i-can-get-pid-db2-connection-via-unix-hell-scripts.html
cluck
4.4.2 here
dim
there was a book with all the good reasons not to choose Unix
         

mzz
the unix hater's handbook, or something like that
madpickle
yeah
dim
oh yes
madpickle
it's free on the interwebs
cluck
but i honestly don't care
dim
http://web.mit.edu/~simsong/www/ugh.pdf
mzz
,g every os sucks
fsbot
[google] http://www.deadtroll.com/video/ossuckscable.html
http://video.google.com/videoplay%3Fdocid%3D2514730680283477734
mzz
I mostly agree with that one ^^^
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ydsx
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boscop
wtf
offby1
alas, now you gotta be registered to speak here
madpickle
ahh, IRC
gnuvince
Nice topic....
hyperair
er
why is it anyone can change the topic?
DuClare
Too long
offby1
yep
madpickle
because 99.9% of the time no one does something out of the ordinary
         

hyperair
right. that's like saying.. let's leave this computer passwordless because 99.9% of the time, nobody will realize that there isn't a password.
kodein
yes, people can usually be expected to play nice
quotemstr
hyperair: Sometimes that works.
offby1
hyperair: not quite; leaving a computer passwordless will likely result in real damage
DuClare
hyperair, Why don't they put handcuffs on you? Because most of the time you don't use your hands for doing evil, hopefully
bremner
hyperair: and a big dog sits beside the computer
offby1
whereas leaving this IRC channel unprotected will result in annoyance
bremner
it is hard to change topic in secret
madpickle
offby1: set channel mode +t
offby1
madpickle: why, wozzat do?
madpickle
makes it so only ops can change the topic
DuClare
offby1, Only ops can change topic
cluck
offby1: the only problem with that solution is bots/scripts are faster and more knowledgeable at registering nicks than newcomers :)
quotemstr
madpickle: Then I won't be able to share my witticisms. :-)
hyperair
DuClare: because i have the right to be free.
madpickle
quotemstr: quite =)
quotemstr
cluck: We need a captcha.
madpickle
heh
actually...
we could have some custom elisp people had to run then give that to fsbot
like a handshake
quotemstr
No, that wouldn't have security implications *at all*./
madpickle
or we could leave +t on for a day or two
offby1
cluck: could be. Anyway, some other channels are using +R, and I haven't heard of any trouble
madpickle
until this teenage affair blows over
as it always does.
after 14 years on IRC i can honestly say that few of these random drive-by attacks persist.
quotemstr
+R?
kodein
only registered nicks can speak
quotemstr
Ah.
You can just auto-voice people after a delay.
offby1
madpickle
i never liked that. it creates mode spam in the channel
cluck
quotemstr: captchas are stupid
quotemstr
cluck: Why?
legumbre
(Action) fails 1 out of 4 captchas
guess that makes me 25% human
madpickle
75%
legumbre
madpickle: right
madpickle
=P
legumbre
"I'm in touch with humanity!"
kodein
when that guy wrote that js neural net to solve captchas for that download service, I started failing 100% of what they put in place instead.
quotemstr
Clearly, your heart is human, and your blood is boiling, but your brain is IBM.
madpickle
Institute of Black Magic.
cluck
afaic having a couple of ops is the best way to keep an irc chan clean (just like the best way to keep a wiki clean is a good admin)
kodein
quotemstr: awesome.
quotemstr
legumbre: If I see you acting strangely, I won't act surprised.
madpickle
cluck: indeed. this is IRC.
kodein
now I have to go find that song
legumbre
quotemstr: :-)
cluck
quotemstr: accessibility for one, also people get bothered, bots don't
offby1
(Action) lets the power go to his head
hyperair
legumbre: i guess that means you fail math captchas as well
legumbre
hyperair: epically
hyperair
heheh
cluck
hyperair: those are even more stupid, what next? derivative of cos x^3 ?
hyperair
cluck: what's 1 + 1?
cluck
10
DuClare
11
kodein
1.
cluck
and suddenly this went from a geek channel to /b/
kodein
but in boolean algebra, I'm pretty sure 1 + 1 = 1
cluck
oh, plus can be read as and in english?
kodein
or
cluck
never mind then
kodein
and would be *
(<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truth_table#Logical_disjunction>)
cluck
kodein: yeah i got yours, i was referring to DuClare's :)
kodein
oh
then yeah, it could be concatenation then, no?
quotemstr
This brand of basmati rice is decidedly inferior.
HFSPLUS
vim is better
DuClare
Cool.
legumbre
ahh the Kleenex" star
DuClare
(Action) gives HFSPLUS a ring.
kodein
I'm sure you've tried all cleaning products and come to that conclusion?
DuClare
You can wed now.
bremner
HFSPLUS: you will have to troll better than that to make an impression around here
HFSPLUS
im not trolling i am stating facts
cluck
HFSPLUS: that's why we have several vim modes to edit text in emacs, now go home cry vim isn't extensible in a decent language
HFSPLUS
heres the truth
I dont a give a fu*k about emacs or vim
they both suck
kodein
,ass
fsbot
hmm, ASS is [0] all software sucks.
[1] but some sucks much, much more.,
[2] Bollocks to [1]. Suck is a unit vector. It's just that any given hacker finds suckage in some direction to be less disagreeable.
quotemstr
Please Don't feed the trolls
DuClare
HFSPLUS, Here's the truth: we don't give a fu*k either
HFSPLUS
notepad is better
How sexy my ride?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttC2qCmAb7Q
kodein
quotemstr: Hmm, I never really found basmati to my liking, I seem to like jasmin rice better, for example.
offby1
(Action) jerks awake
short-grain sushi!
cluck
bremner: don't kill the trolls, they make amusing pets :)
offby1
(Action) dances like an idiot in the end zone
HFSPLUS
How sexy my ride?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttC2qCmAb7Q
offby1
HFSPLUS: please leave the channel if you have nothing on-topic, or at least, amusing, to say.
quotemstr
Last time I shop at the ethnic section of my main supermarket instead of going to the Indian bodega.
offby1
I hate that ingredients are segregated into "ethnic" sections.
Seems to me that (e.g.) salsa should be with the other sauces
quotemstr
Indeed.
johnsu01
offby1: have you been to the hilltop market?
legumbre
(Action) .oO("ethnic?")
kodein
it sometimes strike me as odd too
quotemstr
I think we're actually missing out on important cross-cultural dishes.
How about pasta with saag?
Mmm..
offby1
johnsu01: you'd think I'd know where that was.
kodein
I mean, both pasta and noodles are at the same place, but then there's an asian section too
offby1
it _sounds_ familiar.
cluck
quotemstr: they still name local stores "bodega" in india?
legumbre
haha
offby1
johnsu01: oh, yes, actually; a friend lives near there.
quotemstr
cluck: Yes, where they speak Spanish and celebrate Cinco de Mayo.
offby1
johnsu01: but (as I suspect you know by now) that's pretty far from where I live
It's right by "Lander Street", so if isomer ever visits, we can take him there
cluck
quotemstr: ah, that explains it (the word root is the same for spanish and portuguese)
quotemstr
I am still utterly taken aback by the idea that one day I can have curry, the next fajitas, and the next, chicken marsala.
cluck
quotemstr: and sorry for confusing you with consolers, my bad
offby1
*snicker*
madpickle
marsala or masala?
offby1
Wynton or Branford?
quotemstr
Marsala. The Italian dish with chicken and mushrooms.
madpickle
rigt
i wanted to make sure you didn't mean the indian one
legumbre
(Action) only goes to the bodega to get wine
quotemstr
legumbre: Like it boxed, huh?
legumbre
quotemstr: not quite!
quotemstr
I mean, here I am, in a half-dead practically-midwestern American city, able to taste what cultures across the world have spent lifetimes developing. That's amazing.
madpickle
well
a facsimile of those dishes in some instances.
Twey
Well, it's not *quite* as it was intended by the inventors&
Just so
quotemstr
Some of which were re-imported...
Consider the potato in Indian cuisine. It's a new world vegetable.
cluck
offby1: that's because similarly written words mean different things in different countries (ie, if you asked for salsa here you'd get parsley[i think that's what you call it in english but i'm not sure])
Twey
A sort of herb with a very bland flavour, used on fish?
madpickle
tomatoes are a new world import to italy as well.
parsley's not bland
it has a lovely taste
quotemstr
Then consider risotto, which only came about after Italian merchants came back from the far east.
And marmite, which was developed to lubricate aircraft engines in World War II.
Twey
(Action) chuckles.
madpickle
ha
johnsu01
offby1: It's a pretty impressive place, though I guess Seattle has a few like it
cluck
quotemstr: you are assuming you get the same thing, like some people assume japanese cuisine is the same you get in a sushi shop, when actually it's some subpar cheap imitation/derivative there of
madpickle
cluck: indeed.
quotemstr
cluck: It's not *exactly* the same, sure.
cluck: But the essence is there.
cluck
also
madpickle
there are often big differences.
quotemstr
Speaking of things you can't get here, I've been meaning to try haggis and natto.
cluck
weather MATTERS!
quotemstr
And *real* wasabi.
fledermaus
grr.
couldnt change nick because I wasn't registered
catch 22
hacim
does anyone know how to get calendar/diary to only display the appointments for the specific day you select?
fledermaus
did someone lock the channel?
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