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cluck
if indeed they already have everything in bazar i wouldn't be surprised to learn the full data spanned a couple teras
gkahla
Google is being fractious - is there a HowTo somewhere that describes how to set up Gnus with no NNTP server? All I need is an email client inside GNU Emacs that can handle multiple IMAP accounts in one interface
skorpan
cluck: that's exaggerating
cluck
skorpan: pfff, i'm on 56k
skorpan
you're not branching the bzr trunk
Piratero
Hm...
How do I go about reloading my configuration without restarting Emacs?
konr
How does rmail compare with gnus?
Piratero
cluck: Jesus, why 56k?
gkahla
rmail appears to use mbox - no imap support
         

skorpan
Piratero: you can do M-x load-file RET ~/.emacs RET
melmothX
Piratero: try to evaluate the whole .emacs buffer
skorpan
that doesn't "undo" anything thouh
Piratero
OK.
dim
Piratero: (require 'dired-x), then C-x C-j, then L
Piratero
OK.
wgreenhouse
konr: used as a mailclient, gnus can do all interactions with a POP or IMAP mail server. rmail is more of a mail reader meant to be used in conjunction with external tools such as fetchmail
also, gnus is "baroque," while rmail is more of a traditional UNIX tool to do one job and one job only
gkahla
while I don't have a problem with configuring fetchmail / procmail for a maildir system, I'd prefer to keep my inodes to myself and leave the msgs on the IMAP server
'baroque' - excellent descriptor!
cluck
Piratero: vacations, my mobile is (ironically) the only reliable uplink
wgreenhouse
gkahla: I'm not a big fan of Gnus on "live" IMAP. it seems sluggish with a lot of mail
reto`
has anyone here been building emacs on windows? I'm trying to compile it with VC 9.0 (which is not supported actually but I'm trying to hack it)
gkahla
on vacation, hanging out in #emacs? cluck, your dedication is commendable (or evidence that you should be committed)
wgreenhouse- do you use an email client inside your emacs?
wgreenhouse
gkahla: yes, I use Mew 6.3
I basically have it configured to use IMAP as fake POP
downloading messages to ~/Mail
I like having local indexing
reto`
the problem is that MS has dumped libc.lib from VC8 on... so I'm trying with libcmt.lib now but the make process is aborted after a few minutes without a real error
saml
how can I jump back and forth matching parenthesis?
is there a built in way? should i modify .emacs?
ieure
saml, C-M-f / C-M-b
saml
maybe i'm in a weird mode. that moves one token
konr
wgreenhouse: why do you use mew?
saml
M-x show-paren-mode
ryoma
saml: i bind c-m-(lr) with forward-sexp
         

cluck
gkahla: both, but now that you know i'll have to silence you so the bird-men don't learn about it :)
gkahla
blast!! :)
wgreenhouse
konr: I used to be an avid Gnus user, but I lost my old setup in a backup disaster and had a really hard time rebuilding it
Mew is much more straightforward to configure
both of them are well integrated with org-mode, which I use to manage most of my life :-)
gkahla
okay, so the "stock" tools for manipulating email that are delivered with a "modern" version of GNU Emacs include: rmail (for reading), mailmode (for writing), rmailmime (for viewing attachments), and rmailspam* (for filtering)
for utilities /outside/ emacs, there's fetchmail (for moving things to the local disk) and procmail (for advanced filtering)
cluck
gkahla: jokes aside, it's been nasty weather so i'm kind of locked inside, me, the laptop, the food and the fireplace. even with no chicks around it could be worse
dim
and offlineimap too
because you want the same information on more than one computer, you use IMAP
so you sync both ways and have server-side filtering (sieve maybe) :)
saml
C-w kills mark and saves it to clip board. can i kill only?
gkahla
server-side, I've got SpamAssassin running, so whatever filtering I use I've got some header info to filter on
ieure
saml, Put point on the paren, then C-M-f/b
saml
ieure, yup. sorry. C-M-f is mapped to forward-sexpr
gkahla
saml- the 'kill' commands save things to the clipboard; you might want to look for their 'delete' counterparts
neosoothsayer
you know whats AWESOME about Emacs? Org-mode!
ieure
saml, Right - and () are the beginning/end of a sexp.
neosoothsayer
.seen johnw
birny
johnw was last seen joining #emacs at 2009-12-28 20:36:25 GMT (1 hour, 48 minutes, 46 seconds ago).
gkahla
cluck, dude - I hope your holiday improves!
thanks folks -
i'm off to read a bunch of info files
gkahla's Grand Unified Emacs Email System Quest continues...
drogue
Org-mode lets you organize your life in emacs, but I'd need to get a life before I could properly utilize it.
johnw
i'm here
DraX
emacs is my life...
wgreenhouse
drogue: it is also splendid for tracking time-wasting and hacks
pd
i use org mode to make lists of what i can do when i should be doing my job
drogue
That's what part of what I've been intending to use it for, but I really want it as a system to keep an organized journal/list of ideas. I like the way you can throw timestamps on things, because I get very obsessive about timestamping things, sometimes down to the paragraph.
johnw
i use the "logging" features of Org a lot
i love having a note about why a task changed state
pd
in all seriousness org-mode is a big win if you can get into the habit of using it
wgreenhouse
yeah, because of the timekeeping features, and especially when combined with Git or VC system of your choice, it's a spectacular writing/rewriting/editing tool
absud
I dont have emacs on my phone so I can't make a habit of using org-mode. :(
jlf
absud: ,,mobileorg
fsbot
jlf, mobileorg is, like, an org-mode viewer for the iPhone: http://mobileorg.ncogni.to/
johnw
absud: there's an iPhone app :)
absud
lol
jlf
istr somebody talking about an android port too
wgreenhouse
and of course a non-Android Linux phone like the N900 could run Emacs itself, locally or via SSH
absud
I use android. :)
ya, i could try via ssh
pd
why non-android?
absud
but the native notepad works for me. i suppose i could write in org mode format and sync it.
wgreenhouse
pd: I was just thinking it would be more convenient with a phone such as the N900 that has a more typical Linux package manager available
pd
ah i see
konr
I know lisp and the "introduction to programming in elisp" is a bit boring - is there any briefer document?
wgreenhouse
as that would make it easier to install and use Emacs
cluck
wgreenhouse: just because you have a ssh client and an uplink it doesn't mean it's comfortable to use emacs
absud
ya, emacs has no android ui port and the terminal emulator is not very sophisticated last I checked.
cluck
comfortable or practical
:)
pd
konr: if you know lisp already, i'd just read through code and abuse C-h
wgreenhouse
cluck: oh, I certainly agree and can't say I've tried any of these methods
Emacs is so modifier-key-dependent that I can't imagine it would be pleasant without significant remapping of keys
absud
I use screen and irssi over ssh on my android phone
it uses the wheel nub for ctrl and alt. I find it bearable
wgreenhouse
hmm
then a remote Emacs probably would be, too
cluck
absud: you could probably run it under screen, but you'd likely lose some features like fontification
absud
It would be fine without screen on this terminal. I'll try it later
Right now I am on a flight that is about to take off :p
wgreenhouse
(Action) thinks the Eee Keyboard would be an ideal portable device for the Emacs fiend, if it ever actually gets released
large keyboard, tiny display but enough to see 80 columns--and an Emacs virtuoso doesn't need to *see* what he or she is doing most of the time, anyway. ;-)
absud
hah
cluck
wgreenhouse: why? netbooks nowadays trump it in every way
wgreenhouse
cluck: it is a prototype netbook--with a funky form factor.
cluck
meh
wgreenhouse
and more typical laptop-shaped netbooks don't trump it in keyboard layout
absud
my dell mini has an aweful layout
wgreenhouse
that's why I like this idea, the layout is a halfway sensible desktop keyboard layout--although it's still chiclets, which is unfortunate
cluck
wgreenhouse: some do (then again, i have small hands and am thin to boot so ymmv)
Piratero
There is "Buffer Selection" available for Emacs. Is that able to not display certain buffers?
wgreenhouse
cluck: yeah, big hands and wide clumsy fingers here. I'm not easily proficient on something much smaller than a full-size laptop.
Piratero
Or am I looking at the wrong thing?
cluck
but at least feel wise and disposition wise some are acceptable
wgreenhouse
they're definitely getting there.
cluck
absud: i said SOME, obviously plenty of them are beyond terrible
absud
sure :)
wgreenhouse
it is very clever that some models of netbook now have keys across the entire width of the body. if you can build them like that, they really do start to approximate a larger laptop's keyboard
jlf
,yow
fsbot
Yow! Now we can become alcoholics!
jlf
way ahead of you
absud
lol
herlahr
how do I change the interface font?
wgreenhouse
herlahr: which version of Emacs?
jlf
,fonts
fsbot
jlf: [->] I think font is ,,fontsize
jlf
,font
fsbot
hmm, font is ,,fontsize
jlf
meh
herlahr
wgreenhouse: 21.3.1
jlf
wasn't there a fairly comprehensive entry on fonts?
wgreenhouse
jlf
fsbot
err..fonts is already something else.. Use 'is also'..
Currently: redirect font
jlf
fsbot
:( font is already something else.. Use 'is also'..
Currently: ,,fontsize
jlf
,forget font
fsbot
Forgot "font" which had exactly one entry.
jlf
fsbot
created.
wgreenhouse
herlahr: short answer is that it is far easier on Emacs 23 which fully supports Xft/anti-aliased fonts and even has an easy Gtk dialog window for picking a font
herlahr
ok :)
neosoothsayer
I love org-mode! It can do things no other calendar can. Its amazing how many TODOs I'd forget if org-mode werent around with its agenda view
jlf
is there a setting to keep org from horking my window layout after doing C-c a t ?
neosoothsayer
jlf: just hitting q blows away the TODO window for me, and gets me back to the old display
jlf: looking for anything different?
jlf
newman: q dismisses the window, but it leaves me with a single window after that.. instead of the 7 carefully arranged windows i had in place before issuing C-c a t
s/newman/neosoothsayer/
delYsid
argh, missed johnw
wgreenhouse
konr: you asked this question a long time ago
but you might want to check out the Emacs Lisp Reference Manual
it is named `elisp' in my Info collection
delYsid
any ledger users around?
ah, nevermind, found it, time to hit the sack...
Piratero
I'm starting to really like Emacs.
Very very configurable.
wgreenhouse
Piratero: out of curiosity, what tasks/applications did you begin with in Emacs? for me it was org-mode, then Gnus, then gradually a whole "un-desktop" in Emacs.
Piratero
wgreenhouse: I actually don't know what any those are.
s0l1dsnak3123
Hey, in org-mode, how can I export a table to HTML within the same buffer? I saw it on this youtube video and was wondering if anybody else knows how to do this: http://bit.ly/n5pg9
jlf
s0l1dsnak3123: orgtbl-to-html ?
s0l1dsnak3123
jlf: I think that's what I want, but tbh I'm not entirely sure - I just started learning emacs today and learned how to use tables in org-mode literally 5 minutes ago ^^
Piratero
Is it possible to "clean" up my list of buffers by killing certain ones matching a particular expression (regexp)?
And to never kill certain buffers?
s0l1dsnak3123
jlf: (I think this is what I'm supposed to do) I type in M-x org-table-to-[tab] and get no results, does that mean I'm missing something?
Piratero
I already have one to kill all dired buffers.
bob2
ibuffer
too easy
jlf
s0l1dsnak3123: i don't use that functionality myself.. have you rtfm at orgmode.org?
s0l1dsnak3123
jlf: yes, it mentions exporting to a HTML file, which I can do, but not inline
http://orgmode.org/org.html#HTML-export
skorpan
i must say BzrForEmacsDevs is very helpful :o
jlf
check out appendix a.5
s0l1dsnak3123
jlf: thanks, I'll read up on that, the reason why I missed that was because I didn't understand it lol
Piratero
bob2: What about "Buffer Selection"? Or is that something different?
bob2
Piratero: not sure what you meann
Piratero
Nevermind.
There is a lot to choose from..
There is ibuffer and Icicles...
redsonya
ido iswitchb
like a child in a candy shop. :-)
bob2
I use ido for almost everything
but ibuffer's perfect for 'I want to close buffers by regexp on name/mode/anything'
jlf
ido's flex matching and C-x b then C-k is pretty close
Piratero
ido?
fsbot
[->] InteractivelyDoThings is at http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?InteractivelyDoThings .. + other entries
Piratero
Meh.
Too much to choose from.
jlf
rgr: what's with all the parting/joining?
skorpan
i wish emacs would start using a real bug tracker
this e-mailing nonsense is silly
bremner
well, if they'd chosen git, I'd suggest ticgit :)
wait. they _are_ using a proper bug-tracker
skorpan
it actually pisses me off
it seems like their main objective was to be able to do *everything* by e-mail
bremner
lords of light and darkness preserve us from bugzilla
bpalmer`
isn't joe armstrong's tracker still unofficial?
xemacs has a real tracker of some sort, but I haven't used it yet.
bugzilla seems amazingly hated for being the most prominent bugtracker out there...
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