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leo2007
Do you use C-o?
retroj
DuClare: do you use emacs --daemon?
IvarTJ
Hello, I am new to Emacs, and have until now only looked at the basics from the documentation.
I am interested in playing MUDs, or more specifically LambdaMOO, through Emacs but I have had no luck using the telnet command. I cant claim much familiarity with telnet or how the command is supposed to be used. I have neither had much luck trying to implement the mud.el plugin that I found online.
I have tried this M-x telnet <RET> lambda.moo.mud.org 8888<RET>
fft
dotemacs: Some dances with drums and it works :)
dotemacs
cool :)
fft
And I have no idea why it didn't work before and works now
macode
HOW DO I QUIT THE EDITOR?
Han
First of all hit the caps-lock key, that will save you from pressing the shift key all the time.
macode
Han: how funny
this here shows up:
don't want to save, and for Lisp evaluation.
;; If you want to create a file, visit that file with C-x C-f,
;; then enter the text in that file's own
         

Han
Oh you don't have a sense of humour. That's a pitty, since it's required in here.
retroj
DuClare: ping
IvarTJ
Idiots self.
Welcome back.
Han
ctrl-x ctrl-c
IvarTJ
macode is not present.
retroj
i get the error described here: http://www.opensubscriber.com/message/help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org/11069184.html Any clues? I want to use set-face-attribute to set my default font, so that I can use a special font for chinese characters
got it working, (i think), make all my font stuff work on per-frame basis in after-make-frame-functions
GNUtoo|oeee
hi,I've a very small font
and most of my fonts detected in emacs are not valid
I've emacs 22.3.1
retroj
GNUtoo|oeee: emacs 23 seems to have better font support
GNUtoo|oeee
yes I know
but what can I do with emasc 22?
maybe I'll upgrade emacs but it would be complicated I think
retroj
GNUtoo|oeee: i would think most OSes would have an emacs23 package by now.... debian does
GNUtoo|oeee
ok so maybe I should package it
caoliver
slack doesn't.
fsbot
Try: alien checkinstall LUG http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/TheTruePath
GNUtoo|oeee
I've angstrom
caoliver
At least not in the 13.0 distro
retroj
,twbfix
fsbot
Most problems can be solved by installing Debian.
GNUtoo|oeee
mmm
skorpan
twb isn't even here anymore
GNUtoo|oeee
debian eat too much space
         

skorpan
he must have started using arch linux
GNUtoo|oeee
ok
retroj
i'm sure i have seen twb recently
:P
anyway, I love his universal fix, because i happen to agree with it
caoliver
I'm sure I have in the last few days.
for odd values of solve that is.
retroj
hehe
caoliver
Goof grief Patrick! Slackware current still has 22.3. Bah!
That should read "Good grief," but I think the other works too.
GNUtoo|oeee
mmm I would have to rebase some patch for emacs 23
I'll try to look at it tomorrow but I'm not shure I'll have the time
thanks a lot
e1f
GNUtoo|oeee
the only solution seem to be to package the newer emacs
I'll try to do that
bye and thanks
fledermaus
hm. is it possible to interrogate the xcompose zettings so oyu can see what key sequences are mapped?
skorpan
emacs has finally switched to bzr, right?
,bzr
fsbot
I think bzr is [0] http://bazaar-vcs.org/BzrEmacs
[1] a FORTRAN derivative (S. J. Turnbull)
fledermaus
skorpan: aiui no, bzr needs to be improved to the point where it can handle an emacs sized repo, last I heard.
skorpan
fledermaus: i was sure i saw chong announcing the switch on emacs-devel :/
fledermaus
maybe, I haven't checked recently.
skorpan
can't find it now anyways
fledermaus
aiui the intent to move had been announced, with bzr chosen because it was a gnu project rather then because of any significant advantage or merit.
but I never realy liked bzr, so I'm biased.
skorpan
i don't know any dvcs well enough to have an opinion, but i've used darcs, git and hg for longer periods successfully
git seems to be the best, but as i said, i don't know that much about it really
fledermaus
fwiw I think they should have chosen git, but I don't really care as long as I can get at the repo, ideally through a git mirror.
it's not like I have commit access.
skorpan
same here
i'm sending patches like crazy to be able to say i'm an emacs developer though :P
fledermaus
skorpan: 23.2's been frozen.
nothing's getting in till 24 opens in january.
skorpan
cool
fledermaus
well, no features.
skorpan
my patches aren't that critical really
fledermaus
bug fixes should get in.
which reminds me.
I found a segfault the other day.
could you conform for me?
skorpan
if you insist
fledermaus
well, if oyu have the time.
skorpan
oh, you mean confirm :)
fledermaus
easy setup.
skorpan
i do
fledermaus
calling set-fontset-font in emacs -nw (in .emacs, or otherwise) seems to cause a segfault.
of course it's not normally useful to mke the call in that context
but it shouldn't cause a segfault.
skorpan
could you give me the parameters to test it with?
i'm not familiar with it
fledermaus
(set-fontset-font (face-attribute 'default :fontset) '(#x2000 . #x28ff) "a font specification" nil 'prepend)
I used "-gnu-unifont-medium-r-normal--13-120-75-75-c-0-iso10646-1"
but just pick one form xlsfonts.
skorpan
segfault here too
fledermaus
"good"
fsvo of good.
skorpan
have you reported this?
fledermaus
no, was in the middle of stuff at work, just remembered.
the-kenny
Hello. Is there a way to hide specific minor modes from the modeline?
bob2
yeah
the-kenny
(E.g. minor modes I have active in almost any buffer)
bob2
,,diminish-mode
fsbot
bob2
,,diminish
fsbot
try: DiminishedModes DiminishingReplies
bob2
,,diminishedmodes
fsbot
DiminishedModes is at http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?DiminishedModes
bob2
that's the one
the-kenny
Thanks :)
upward
I have a shortcut bound to s-return in OSX but emacs catches it and says "<s-return> is undefined" in the minibuffer when i press it. It would seem it souldn't be caught since it's undefined, no?
bob2
what makes you think it is bound?
oh, some other program bound it
upward
Exactly, bound in the keyboard prefs of osx, it works in all other applications
This behavior really puzzles me
On the other hand <s-space> goes through without problem
(also bound in the keyboard prefs of osx)
(same goes for <s-t>, and other shortcuts, i have only found a problem with s-return)
bremner
hmm. map-keymap seems designed to dispel any ideas that emacs-lisp is a functional language
e1f
if this channel underwent lossy compression, we would end up with #vim
yates
is there a command in rcirc to narrow the users displayed in a buffer to a specified list?
e1f
(Action) didn't know that the overall rotation of the universe is zero
ivey
Anyone use ublog.el? Looks like latest code is missing a provides, wondering if there's more to it than that.
Doesn't look like any of the elisp twitter modes support lists or native retweets, either.
caoliver
Agree: what ever they use, breaking the git mirror would be highly annoying.
Oops. Darn scroll bar. Ignore me.
cluck
e1f: nihilists and zen masters were right all along! suck it up. :)
e1f
they had no proof, just a feeling.
george smoot proved it
and this is the first time hearing of the great attractor
how many people here use the light on their usb key as a night light in their bedroom
technomancy
this is interesting: http://www.emacsmirror.org/
guy intends to write a new elisp package manager
I wonder if he knows that package.el is going to be part of Emacs
my_haz
where is the definitive guide to the "\C-z" style syntax for global-set-key?
technomancy
my_haz: you can use C-h c to find out how the "kbd" function expects any given keystroke
shyam_k
my_haz: (info "(emacs) Key Bindings") eval that on emacs:)
my_haz
technomancy: hmm, i mean i am trying to (global-set-key "C-c RET" 'my-fun)
technomancy
my_haz: (global-set-key (kbd "C-c RET") 'my-fun)
my_haz
I think this is correct ? (global-set-key "\C-c <RET>" 'html-p)
however its still bound to html-paragraph, which is not what i want
i get no error when i run C-x C-e on that command
ersatzmaus
my_haz: \C-blah is obsolete synatx
my_haz
fledermaus: ah ok
but still the same lack of change for (global-set-key (kbd "C-c RET") 'html-p)
fledermaus
define "lack of change"
my_haz
fledermaus: when i run C-c RET in the buffer it still calls html-paragraph and not html-p
i am in html-mode
`M-x html-p` works
ah, i need to use local-set-key
skraelings
I'm using a third-party package which uses the function timezone-parse-date (found in timezone.el) to parse a date (feeded by format-time-string) but it always sets is to 31 Dec 1999 cause it is now locale aware. Given format-time-string (a built-in) how can I ask it to give date in english rather than my current locale??
fsbot
Ask yourself, do you really want to know?
skraelings
yes, if it's possible
scb
You're playing with fire there.
skraelings
well I hope is not the only answer, I spent 3 hours debugging emacs lisp (though It was fun)
user`
Can someone tell me why python-mode indent is giving me indents of 8 when tab-width, py-basic-offset are set to 4?
twb
user`: did you set those globally?
user`: are you aware that there's a PEP that tells you how to indent Python, and that you're probably (attempting to) violate it?
http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0008/
user`
I don't care. My screen is tiny and Guido's an ass
Indentation of 8 is a terrible waste
twb
Shrug.
"Use 4 spaces per indentation level."
user`
That's what I want
Emacs is giving me 8. It's huge. I try describe-variable on both tab-width and py-basic-offset are 4
twb
Are you inserting literal tabs, or pressing TAB?
user`
pressing tab, which calls what, python-indent?
twb
I get 4, and TAB runs the command indent-for-tab-command
user`
Yeah, I run
twb
user`: I get 4 with emacs -Q, too.
user`
indent-for-tab and tab-always-indent is T
twb
fsbot: tell user` about -Q
fsbot
oops, error. Symbol's function definition is void: fs-\`
twb
fsbot: tell "user`" about -Q
fsbot
user`: I think -q is if you start emacs with "emacs -q" and the problem goes away, it's YOUR FAULT; check your .emacs. If "emacs -q" has problems and "emacs -Q" does not, it's caused by your distro or local admin.
user`
I get 8 even with -Q
twb
Are you using XEmacs?
user`
god no
twb
Are you using GNU Emacs 23?
user`
23.1.1
twb
Then I have no idea what's going on.
user`
cccrap
It's always tabs that annoy me
It works fine for c
twb
Confirm that it's definitely inserting spaces and not literal tabs?
user`
How would I tell that. It moves between them 4 spaces at a time, but when deleting it removes a single space at a time
twb
C-s C-q C-i
That's a forward search for TAB (^I) characters.
user`
They're tabs then
twb
user`: so the problem is that you're managing to insert literal tabs
This shouldn't be possible using -Q and pressing the TAB key.
(Note: that's an UPPERCASE -Q)
user`
They're still tabs
I delete them and reindent - still highlighted when searching
tab-width is 8 under -Q
twb
It doesn't matter what tab-width is, because if things are working it shouldn't be inserting a literal tab EVER.
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