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outsid3r
omg, that was exactly what i felt
ltsampros
yeah. just accept that fact little scary sad man
outsid3r
but that can happen just for a reason, is your reason the same as mine? why u say that?
ltsampros
and don't blame christmas
outsid3r
i don't
ltsampros
well you said they suck.
outsid3r
bad said then
it sucks for me at the moment
well...
there is only one reason for living
without it it's everything void
the rest it's an illusion
ltsampros
well. a greek poet wrote something to this meaning: it's the journey to Ithake that matters
outsid3r
yea, he's right
there is only one thing that matters
and that thing is, pure love for someone
         

ltsampros
i disagree. it's different for each one
outsid3r
because then it exists, everything seems to disappear, there are no worries, no obligations, just nothing, all this universe that surrounds you means nothing
and that's the proof that only one thing matters
benny
straight out of Twilight
outsid3r
why live?
ltsampros
benny: hehe. haven't seen the movies nor read the books.
outsid3r
why do you live?
what's the meaning of life?
benny
someone has to tell fsbot what to say
ltsampros
man you are the one to give life a meaning
there is no such thing as an objective meaning to life.
dmhouse
Does ERC limit the length of log files?
outsid3r
and that meaning what it is? being a member of this society? work to feed the system and then die for nothing?
dmhouse
Mine never seem to grow beyond 15MB.
outsid3r
like mostly everybody?
do u see somebody asking what is the meaning of life?
they don't even get it, they dont ask, they don't think
that's implicit brain programming that we are all exposed since we born
benny
dmhouse: nothing explicit in erc-log.el
outsid3r
so, there is an objective meaning of life
dmhouse
benny: okay, thanks
outsid3r
and that is hidden in your true nature
in your feelings
because it's the only thing that doesn't lie
ltsampros
yet i haven't found a solid definition of what is a feeling
and anyway we are offtopic
outsid3r
and what the hell offtopic matters?
benny
,ops
fsbot
I heard ops is [0] offby1 forcer fledermaus lukhas Khmar lawrence deego hober delYsid johnw rw shapr resolve franl sachac ayrnieu liiwi bojohan myrkraverk arete mathrick kensanata johnsu01 aadis alephnull pgas bpalmer jemarch/
[1] see oplist (the real list) and ophelp (how to ban)
         

benny
,ophelp
fsbot
From memory, ophelp is /msg chanserv op #emacs, ban: /mode #emacs +b *!*user@*.domain, list: /mode #emacs +b, unban: /mode #emacs -b %borg!*@*
ltsampros
benny: i'm sure we won't need any of these commands
outsid3r
hahaha
u're feeding the void in you, becoming an entropy
bpalmer`
what's up?
outsid3r
nothing is up man, everything's ruined
Piratero
Hello everyone!
Is there a way to unbind what the home key is bound to?
I have: (global-unset-key (kbd "<home>"))
skorpan
can't see why that shouldn't work
Piratero
But whenever I reload Emacs and press the home key, I still get to the beginning of the buffer.
Yeah, me too.
That's the behaviour I don't want.
skorpan
are you sure there isn't some minor mode which also binds <home>?
Piratero
Oh, I am in c-mode...
Wouldn't it be global though?
bpalmer`
Piratero: first it looks locally, then it goes to the global map
ryoma
i thought home by default went to bol
skorpan
as i understand it, emacs looks in the "deepest" keymaps first and works its way upwards until it hits the global keymap
bpalmer`
Piratero: the sense is that the global map is for 'default' actions, but modes may override it to be more intelligent behaviour.
Piratero
Ah, I see.
outsid3r
damn, i was checking now, why keyboards don't have an unix key? why they have a windows key? this sucks
bpalmer`
s/behaviour//;
outsid3r
it's unfair
skorpan
outsid3r: luckily, many real programmers regard the windows key as the super key
so does emacs
ieure
outsid3r, Ive seen keyboards with a penguin key instead of a windows key.
outsid3r
super key? what u mean with super key?
skorpan
outsid3r: hit e.g. windows key + e
emacs will probably tell you that "s-e is unbound"
outsid3r
s-e
yea
ryoma
i bind it to hyper so i don't have to remember whether s- is shift or what
outsid3r
penguin key? it should have an unix key
unix is the real first OS and it stills the real OS today
skorpan
should be a gnu key
bpalmer`
a devil key.
outsid3r
a puffy key
(OpenBSD)
Piratero
What would the solution to this be? local-unset-key?
ieure
What the hell would a Unix key look like, Kernighans face?
Piratero
I'm reading about minor modes, now.
outsid3r
yea
dennis face
bpalmer`
ieure: maybe a death star.
outsid3r
and another key with kernighan
K&R :D
benny
Piratero: sounds good
ieure
Then wed all get sued and have to make it the SCO logo.
skorpan
Piratero: there is a way to override *all* keymaps but that's ugly as hell and i can't remember how it worked
bpalmer`
a standard way is to make a minor mode ;minor modes are looked at first
Piratero
I guess I'll just do it for c-mode then.
ltsampros
ctually i find the position of the super key inappropriate for my finger
outsid3r
Dennis and Kernighan were the key of evolution
bpalmer`
(Action) wonders where Thompson went
ieure
I find pretty much any key to the left of alt unusable.
benny
a minor mode that you need to bump to the front of the minor-mode-map-alist
ltsampros
ieure exactly.
outsid3r
without them, no C, without C no UNIX, without unix, we were talking right now on an Windows OS
dotemacs
talking of keys, don't you find that macs have control key in the wrong place, by that I mean: too close to the alt/meta key
ltsampros
dotemacs: i always make the capslock key a control key
ieure
dotemacs, Same here.
dotemacs
no, i mean the right control key on the macs
ltsampros
lol. do they even exist ?
:P
ieure
I never use the actual control key.
dotemacs
the main reason i wouldnt buy a mac
bpalmer`
outsid3r: incidentally, UNIX was first written in assembler.
dotemacs
what do you use then ieure
outsid3r
i know, it was written several times
many times until C born
bpalmer`
UNIX started in 1969; C was developed around 1971.
outsid3r
then it was completly rewritten in C
and improved
C was the key
C rules man
Piratero
Hm... this is confusing...
outsid3r
no matter what people say, C just rules
dotemacs
did they write it all in ed(1) or ...
DraX
didn't we have this c sucks/rules discussion like two days ago? :P
outsid3r
man C doesn't suck
ieure
Its just of brutal once youre used to cushy garbage-collected languages.
*just brutal
ltsampros
it depends on what you do.
outsid3r
i don't like garbage collection
ieure
I dont like wasting time doing sh*t I dont care about.
outsid3r
i think that the programmer must be resposable for deallocating memory
it's more efficient, its more natural
ieure
Its not time-efficient. Think of all the man-years wasted tracking down memory leaks.
All that time writing a billion free() calls.
Piratero
Guys, I have this: http://codepad.org/HiXZlMjg
outsid3r
memory leaks are avoidable
if u pay atention
DraX
with garbage collection ;)
outsid3r
for each malloc, there is a free
Piratero
Shouldn't that work?
outsid3r
it's simple as that
ieure
outsid3r, Know whats even simpler than that? Not having to malloc() or free() again, ever.
bpalmer`
Piratero: what does C-h k HOME show as the key sequence?
Piratero
Oh, let me try that.
outsid3r
ieure: u have to "new" anyway
bpalmer`
Piratero: that snippet looks fine; I'm wondering if it's interpreting <home> as you intend.
Piratero
When I press C-h k, it deletes a line...
ieure
outsid3r, There are languages without new.
outsid3r
ieure: in my opinion GC = know less, work less
GC it's a tool for making the enginnering easy
Piratero
I'm running emacs under a screen session.
outsid3r
and it's not bad at all
but for real programming it's not necessary
i work with PHP right now, and i must say that i would prefer it with GC than without it
obviously
ieure
PHP has GC.
outsid3r
what's what i have said
i prefer it with GC of course
but for studying and researching then i'm at home, i always do it with C or C++
have u seen a real application with GC ?
nimred
wich way to set a variable (username, address, phone...) in emacs configuration file and to import it in a tex template file ?
rgr
outsid3r: garbage collection is considered pretty much a must have in many newly developed systems now. Not least of course Java. To say its not used in real programming is plain wrong (not that I think its a good idea to rely on it all the time).
outsid3r
i don't like Java
Java it's a strict language
you don't have any freedom with it
ltsampros
but it gets results
outsid3r
where ?
ltsampros
recently, i was doing some simple db work
outsid3r
some crazy people even compare C++ with Java
ltsampros
and jdbc outperformed everything almost any other connector
Piratero
Hm...
bpalmer`
Piratero: then that's what I suspect; terminal is always a bit fun with exotic keys.
Piratero: in theory, C-h k will tell you what to do with kbd ; or use vector notation [home]
Piratero
OK.
bpalmer`
Piratero: make sure while you're testing this to do both local-unset-key and global-unset-key
outsid3r
ltsampros: what kind of work it was ?
ltsampros
Piratero: under screen, what's the value of the TERM shll variable?
bpalmer`
I don't know if your c-mode overrides home or not.
Piratero
ltsampros: screen
outsid3r
ltsampros: website?
Piratero
bpalmer`: It wouldn't make sense to...
ltsampros
outsid3r: nope. data analysis of a dump i had.
bpalmer`
Piratero: it could , if it were something like beginning-of-defun or beginning-of-page ; not that pages are used in C++ programs much.
outsid3r
ltsampros: java has it's strengths, but i can't get along with that strict way of doing things
Piratero
Oh, I see.
outsid3r
ltsampros: also, it's a litte bloated
Piratero
OK. I just tried both, and no go.
This is very odd.
I'll worry about this later.
Is there a way to suppress the error "Text is read-only" when pressing M-x and then backspace?
It's a bad habit of mine...
outsid3r
why u want to suppress that error message ?
ltsampros
outsid3r: because you usually want to change the read-only buffer, and then you'll do a write using tramp's sudo path
Piratero
outsid3r: I know it's read-only, but I just don't want that visual message.
harsha_v
Hi, is it possible when using ido-switch-buffer to list only the non-message buffers (those not starting with * ) ?
outsid3r
should we use dark screens on white font's in order to cause less damague to our eyes?
damage*
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