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defn
why does erc look so weird? Can I make the line wrapping work differently?
skorpan
because erc *sucks*
,rcirc
fsbot
hmm, rcirc is [0] a minimalist IRC client for Emacs.
[1] at http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?rcirc,
[2] included in Emacs 22 and newer,
[3] at #rcirc,
[4] wget http://cvs.savannah.gnu.org/viewcvs/*checkout*/emacs/emacs/lisp/net/rcirc.el
dim
I'm using rcitc, don't knoe
rcirc is damn good as an excuse to learn to code in elisp, though
skorpan
i don't think i've coded anything in rcirc myself
dim
ahah
defn
hell, that's how I learned perl
irssi
dim
my setup for it is like 6 files or more
and 2 major modes
ok 1 I don't use anymore
but still
skorpan
dim: what do they do?
         

dim
notifications (growl or gnome), late fix for s// stuff, etc
not that much in fact
defn
i need to fix my setup so when im in OSX it opens up the right browser, and when im in ubuntu it opens a diff. browser
dim
http://pgsql.tapoueh.org/elisp/rcirc/
skorpan
dim: what you coded yourself is contained in only two of those files, correct?
dim
in fact there's a github repo too
http://github.com/dimitri/rcirc-groups
skorpan
i'd bet you hang around in 100+ channels
defn
rcirc is 10x better
dim
not that many but yes
defn
thank you for the recommendation
dim
a lot of them
my *rcirc-groups* buffer lists 16 channels
defn
now I just need to figure out how to do stuff
i usually max out irssi with channels
about 30 in all
skorpan
defn: C-c C-h will list a bunch of common sh*t
dim
and that's because I don't have much IM going on
defn
skorpan: thanks man
skorpan
sure
defn
(Action) wonders why his Cmd+C wont work anymore
I can't copy anything...
e1f
if you want cmd-c to work you need aquamacs
which breaks emacs so it's more mac like
m-w copies in emacs
quotemstr
Or just get into the habit of using control-insert
Works in Emacs *and* non-Emacs applications.
dim
I see no INSERT key on my mac qwerty keyboard, though
quotemstr
Pity.
Get a Model M, the One True Keyboard
         

e1f
there is s price to pay for abusing the emacs gestalt.
ootput
quotemstr: too heavy
and fricken loud
quotemstr
ootput: The loudness means that it's working.
tensorpudding
not enough mod keys either
quotemstr
And the massiveness --- it's useful for LARTing.
tensorpudding: Unicomp makes one with a meta key.
tensorpudding
unicomp makes a keyboard that is like the model m but it's not the same
but yeah, they do have a modifier
quotemstr
Agreed, the original Model M is better.
tensorpudding
err, a windows/super key whatever
quotemstr
But Unicomp is still very, very good, and better than the rest.
tensorpudding
my light clicky dell is fine
quotemstr
tensorpudding: Ssh. It's a meta key. Just like there are three Star Wars movies.
tensorpudding
i call it super because that is what xmodmap says it is
developernotes
is there a way to tell erc to use my entire screen width?
ootput
lack of keys is fine.. which is why I prefer the HH kb
dim
Cherry makes a pretty good model M reedition
with like different weights on touches depending on what finger you're suppose to be using
dell keyboards are awful
developernotes: I have sth to adjust rcirc idea of column wrapping
quotemstr
(Action) stabs dim in the face
.
Cherry keyswitches are good, but they're not buckling springs like Model Ms have.
That's like mistaking Dogfish Head for Guinness.
Both good, but different!
lisppaste
dim pasted "auto fill col for rcirc" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/90924
dim
there it is
quotemstr: I had a model M at a time
liked it, but too noisy for me
quotemstr
dim: There's a variant of the Model M that uses greased springs to reduce the noise level.
dim
like I want to be able to type yet avoid waking up the kids
quotemstr: is it called Cherry? :)
quotemstr
(Action) stabs what's left of dim's face.
dim
hehe
that said the apple default keyboard ain't bad
I don't miss either the model M nor the Cherry @home
ootput
wouldn't greased springs require more maintenance?
sort of defeats the purpose of buckling spring design
unknown_lamer
ootput: a heavy grease should stay on the springs for a long while without maintenance
I guess ... the grease would be there to keep the coils from having excessive friction against each other when buckling?
quotemstr
Indiana Jones would be able to uncover a thousand-year-old Model M, kill a few hundred Nazis with it, then plug it in and type up a report on it without a problem.
tensorpudding
rcirc seems kinda neat
mqt
does rcirc support ssl?
quotemstr
Let's unintern all the symbols!
dim
bright!
DuClare
dim!
e1f
the symbols of the undead
rgr
model m's would develop serious hand muscles if you're an emacs user.
defn
I use a model m
I'm trying to decide between a Kinesis Advantage Pro and a Happy Hacking Keyboard
rgr
I used to. But wasn't practical in the flat. Simply too loud!
defn
My coworkers hate me
but that would be true regardless of my keyboard
dim
HHK I've only heard bad things about them
defn
Really?
dim
really
defn
The lite or the professional?
The professional uses friggen Topre capacitive switches
dim
too small, bad response, key release etc
defn
It's a dream switch
rgr
expensive too
dim
ah, maybe it was the light I don't know 'bout that
defn
the lite was a piece of junk admittedly
that's why it costs 70$ instead of 250$
http://www.elitekeyboards.com/
DuClare
defn, The Kinesis is buggy, but other than that, heaven
defn
that's the only US distributor for the HHK
offby1
heaven with bugs
hmm
defn
DuClare: I'm worried I won' be able to learn how to use the damn thing
I don't type like a normal person
I have my own method for typing that involves jumping across the center of the keyboard for various reasons with both hands, making a split keyboard seem like a difficult proposition
DuClare
Yeah, you might need some willpower
defn
Well I've already learned emacs, so I've proven I have willpower! :)
rgr
buggy keyboard with emacs ... hmm.
dim
sold separately
defn
DuClare: what exactly do you mean by buggy?
How could a keyboard be buggy?
Especially one that costs 300$?
rgr
like the model Ms I expect. crap key chros handling.
DuClare
defn, Modifiers get stuck at times
rgr
chord
DuClare
defn, Not physically stuck
defn
Oh...that is bad.
DuClare
defn, http://guu.fi/kinesis.txt
defn
http://www.elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=topre_keyboards,rftenkeyless&pid=rf_se1700 I'd like to buy this, depending on cost
rgr
youch. talk about a "no no".
defn
Wow, that is not impressive
If Kinesis used better quality switches I'd feel more comfortable about buying it
but it sounds like they use garbage
rgr
200 euro for a standard keyboard? Bah ...
defn
The link I posted above, that keyboard, is worth the $ even if it's 250$
shabble
blue wasd? at least it's not hjkl I guess :p
defn
They weight the keys across the board with different force sensitivity, so hitting one with your pinky will feel exactly like hitting it with index
rgr
Why is it worth it? I use a standard Cherry black and its excellent.
DuClare
defn, No, the switches are *awesome*
defn
The Cherry switches are very good, but they're not as good as the Topre capacitive switches
IMHO
DuClare
defn, It's the firmware that is crappy
defn
DuClare: ahhh
what kind of switches does it use then?
rgr
I press a key and it appears. Good enough for me.
defn
probably something like the Cherry switches is my guess
rgr: tactile feedback and a board with proper sensitivity will make you rethink that
it's like having crappy coffee your whole life, and then getting a good cup
rgr
No it wont since I've been programming for over 20 years and used all kinds. The fancy weighting does nothing for me.
defn
hm, to each his own
rgr
I can appreciate others migt like it of course.
defn
it has made a very noticeable difference for me
I've used crappy rubber dome keyboards for a long time, and then I switched to a model M and it was like night and day
DuClare
defn, Some fancy high quality mechanical switches which activate before the key is fully depressed, so you don't need to push your fingers until it hits the limit
defn
See I don't like that
I like to push to the limit, and know I've pushed to the limit
DuClare
Umm, that's totally unergonomic
defn
that's the whole point of a model m for me
DuClare
You can do it if you like
The idea is that your fingers needn't hit a solid wall constantly
tensorpudding
so if there is a link in rcirc that is long enough to extend to two lines, i can't select it using the mouse...
rgr
(Action) wonders why people use rcirc over erc since its not much lighter and far less well maintained.
defn
I was using erc earlier and now I'm rcirc
tensorpudding
people on here said that rcirc was much better
defn
I find rcirc to be way better so far OOB
tensorpudding
and i tried erc back in the day, and it sucked
skorpan
rcirc is the bomb yo
bpalmer
tensorpudding: people on here get confused. What problems did you have with erc?
Sketch
i think it comes down to what style of client you like better
defn
rcirc feels more like irssi to me
Sketch
ircii-like, or something that is super configurable
defn
which is what I was familiar with
skorpan
rcirc sucks less imo
tensorpudding
bpalmer: i can't specifically remember what the problems were
nopedia
tensorpudding: u mean it worked badly or that u could not find out how it worked, or?
tensorpudding
probably the latter, but it also had an odd color scheme that i didn't like and i couldn't figure out how to change that
in any case, my problem probably is less related to rcirc and more related to emacs windows
and the behavior of my term
i'm considering going through the hoops to use the gtk emacs
but i'd really rather now
not*
defn
Is there a way to quickly send something that I've written in a slime repl buffer to a file I'm working with?
Like let's say I write some function and I haven't hit RET to evaluate it. Is there a way to "send it" to a file?
mqt
what's wrong with killing the sexp and then yanking it?
defn
mqt: Nothing, I just find myself sharing a lot
I'll write something in my slime REPL and evaluate it, it works how I want it to work, so I type M-p, I'd like to just send it over to the end of my file instead of yanking it
e1f
my emacs didn't come with a flamethrower
ieure
Mine did.
technoma`
you have to get it through ELPA
defn
Whenever I move my mouse my minibuffer vanishes
Any way to stop that?
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