logs archiveIRC Archive / Freenode / #emacs / 2009 / November / 17 / 11
pnegry
im trying to install mew
but the app layout is confusing me
tensorpudding
i'm actually reading why's poignant guide again
subhadeep
tensorpudding great
though he finished
if u r short of time try chris pine's learn to program
it has a consice approach to ruby
pnegry
the instructions are all out of date
tensorpudding
i know how to program ruby
vaguely
i had tinkered in rails and got sidetracked by haskell for about a year
and now i'm refreshing
subhadeep
ok
then chk out the pragmatic programmer series
or The Ruby Way book
sockmonk
i should tinker with haskell some more. either that or... is there an emacs mode for the go language yet?
tensorpudding
i wouldn't imagine so
pnegry
the curse of emacs
         

tensorpudding
considering it was just released this past week
pnegry
spend more time fiddling with emacs then you do on work
tensorpudding
and the creators are pretty much not fans of emacs
technomancy
(Action) gives it a week
mikeleib
I recently upgraded to karmic's emacs23. I can't seem get semantic-load-enable...helpers to work anymore. They just don't appear. Anyone else had similar?
oxi
is it easily possible to change the background color for normal prints?
I have figured that out for ps-* prints, but how about normal prints?
mikeleib
I think I must have had a mismatched cedet/cogre version
neosoothsayer
,yow
fsbot
Didn't I buy a 1951 Packard from you last March in Cairo?
neosoothsayer
What are the sources for fsbot's random quotes?
,xkcd
fsbot
I heard xkcd is [0] a cult webcomic about `romance, sarcasm, math and language'
[1] at <http://www.xkcd.com/>
oxi
,fsbot
fsbot
[->] erbot is, like, [0] an ERC (i.e. Emacs) based IRC infobot <http://emacswiki.org/wiki/ErBot>, <http://sv.nongnu.org/projects/erbot>
[1] the program of which fsbot is an instance (see <fsbot> and <help>)
fledermaus
,g "zippy the pinhead"
fsbot
[google] http://www.zippythepinhead.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv%3FScreen%3DCTGY%26Store_Code%3DZTP%26Category_Code%3Dds
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zippy_the_Pinhead
ashawley
,yow.lines
fsbot
yow.lines -- http://cvs.savannah.gnu.org/viewvc/emacs/emacs/etc/yow.lines?hideattic=0&revision=1.10
sachac
Oh, I'm tickled pink. Just posted my w3m automation thingummy.
http://planet.emacsen.org has that and other good things.
oh, actually, my post's not on planet.emacsen yet. <laugh>
Anyway, happy! =)
neosoothsayer
,yow
fsbot
Does that mean I'm not a well-adjusted person??
         

neosoothsayer
My w3m is broken on 23.2 :(
dim
23.2?
neosoothsayer
23.1 I mean
sachac: Do you do all the artwork on your blogposts?
sachac
neosoothsayer: In general, yes. Which is why they look like a 5-year-old's. =)
neosoothsayer: (Photos from other sources are credited when used.)
neosoothsayer: Inkscape is your friend. You can draw, then edit it to make it look better. =)
neosoothsayer: I find that liberal use of layers in the GIMP is also handy.
neosoothsayer
sachac: they look really nice, and quite to the point of the post. :)
.yow
birny
Yow! Legally-imposed CULTURE-reduction is CABBAGE-BRAINED!
neosoothsayer
,yow
fsbot
.. I don't understand the HUMOR of the THREE STOOGES!!
Sketch
sachac: thanks to xkcd, your drawing style is now "in style" ;)
neosoothsayer
yeah, stick figures are quite the rage
sachac
Sketch: Heh. That's good, because I haven't figured out how to draw much better yet. <laugh>
elarson
is
whoops, wrong buffer, sorry
jordanb
I haven't gotten into inkscape
The concept is really good.
dim
sachac: why aren't you using emacs'ish blog software? EmacsMuse or sth?
jordanb
But actually trying to use it is a bummer
Especially how performance breaks down the more objects you make.
sachac
dim: I used to use Planner for my blog, actually.
jordanb
Depending on what you're doing, it's sometimes possible to make the picture in the gimp and then get good results vectorizing the raster image.
sachac
dim: Recent blog post about just that topic: http://sachachua.com/wp/2009/11/03/thinking-about-planneremacswiki-versus-wordpress/
dim
sachac: I think I've read about it yeah, but still, prominent Emacs users bloggers are not numerous. Filter on using emacs to publish, and there's noone left.
jordanb
Heh. You know things are bad for emacswiki when it's getting compared to wordpress.
oxi
M-1 M-x ps-print-buffer can print to a file
sachac
dim: Comments and navigation were eventually the things that won me over, although I did do things in parallel for a while.
oxi
is it possible to use print-buffer to print to a file too?
dim
http://tapoueh.org/news.dim.html --- my little example of Emacs powered blog, sachac
jordanb
I like using the itsalltext firefox plugin
sachac
dim: During my upcoming vacation, I might think about how to rebuild my Emacs-powered wiki/blog/workflow. <grin>
jordanb
I can click on any textarea and edit it in emacs
sachac
And I still draft many of my posts in Org before posting. =)
dim
sachac: getting to sth Emacs native and moderm would be insanely cool
jordanb
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/4125
dim
there's blorg-mode somewhere
sachac
dim: I know. =)
dim
(Action) prefered the EmacsMuse typing environment, much more friendly for writing articles
but then as you say, comments and navigation
sachac
You can still have the best of both worlds, you know.
dim
with?
sachac
Compose in Emacs, then publish
jordanb
,yow
fsbot
Dizzy, are we "REAL PEOPLE" or "AMAZING ANIMALS"?
sachac
weblogger.el (although I occasionally have problems with entities and linebreaks) is one option
dim
quitting emacs to publish?
oxi
I wonder why you use Emacs for writing articles
sachac
Or Firefox extensions that use Emacs to edit text areas, or copying and pasting.
dim
but I want to publish static html
oxi
Why not OO or Word?
sachac
oxi: Faster navigation, easier access to my notes
oxi: and not having to deal with lots of visual or memory overhead
jordanb
oxi; :P
dim
oxi: I'm unable to use WYSIWYG software (or mouse)
oxi
sachac: hmm, I understand that for coding, but just for writing articles for blogs/pdfs/presentations?
sachac
oxi: I find Org's hierarchy commands to be much easier to work with than OOo.
oxi: There's a recent blog post about using Org mode and S5, I think.
oxi: planet.emacsen.org has details.
(for presentations)
oxi: It doesn't get in the way of my thinking. <laugh>
oxi
sachacs: and I guess Word, OOo, and many others can also switch to distraction-free fullscreen
sachac
oxi: And there are lots of other little tweaks I've picked up over the years, which I like very much
jordanb
It's not a distraction until it suddenly decideds you want to make a list.
And then you get to figure out how to make it stop doing that
oxi
I even find the javascript wisiwyg editors quite fine for blogging
subopt
rmail is telling me: movemail: Error connecting to POP server: could not determine POP server's address. Anyone know what that's about?
sachac
oxi: For example, I have a completion function that lets me complete names and have them automatically hyperlinked to people's websites
oxi: which is pretty nifty when I'm writing about people. I don't have access to anything like that when I'm using ScribeFire or Windows Live Writer.
subopt: Quirky DNS problems? Misconfiguration?
oxi
sachac: ah, right, if you gained a script collection over years, then I understand the purpose
subopt
sachac : i've probably got it misconfigured.
sachac : all i've set is rmail-primary-inbox-list and rmail-preserve-inbox.
jordanb
subopt; I think RMS is the only person besides you that uses rmail. So perhaps you should ask him. ;)
dim
oxi: whenever I'm typing and it's not Emacs there, it feels strange for me
sachac
oxi: And it's the little things, like being able to actually script bits here and there without having to rely on configuring other people's plugins or figuring out how to work with the C/C++ API for other aps (if you can even find it in the first place).
dim
like, really strange
like I couldn't think about using another software for IRC
subopt
jordanb : Looking for something simpler than gnus. Any suggestions?
sachac
dim: IRC in Emacs is surprisingly powerful.
=)
dim
yeah
jordanb
subopt; I went through them all a few years ago and ended up with mutt
dim
mail, irc, etc
oxi
sachac: I see, that was my guess. Emacs is great if you have code-blocks
dim
(Action) went from KDE to awesome / emacs
jordanb
Emacs clients are all various states of horror.
sachac
oxi: <nod> And Emacs is great because it's easy to acquire or make those code-blocks.
oxi
that would be annoying in word, ooo and similar
dim
,,salespitch
fsbot
We aren't gonna lie. Emacs sucks. Some of us tolerate it, but we can't tell you if YOU'LL be able to. Try it and make up your own mind.
subopt
jordanb : thx.
sachac
oxi: I've tried dealing with OO Basic, and it was much more of a pain.
jordanb
I thought wanderlust was ok, except it kept producing this weird error and all the documentation was in japanese.
oxi
sachac: okay, thanks for sharing your experience :-)
sachac
=)
oxi
I was just curious to know :-
:-)
jordanb
oxi; See also ,,wysiayg
fsbot
You will be misunderstood by everyone.
jordanb
:<
dim
sachac: a real Muse blog output (one html per article, main page with links) would be not too hard to do and just to the point I think
sachac
oxi: http://www.emacswiki.org is a great place to find code snippets. In general, asking "Can Emacs do ____?" will get you "Yes". ;)
jordanb
,g wysiayg
fsbot
[google] http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php%3Fterm%3Dwysiayg
http://linux.about.com/cs/linux101/a/WYSIAYG.htm
sachac
dim: Yes, that should be straightforward.
dim: Org exports nicely, too.
dim
not only emacs can, but it's more often than not a single paste away
jordanb
fsbot: WYSIAYG is What You See is All You Get
fsbot
created.
dim
Org I'm still not a user, and typing blog articles into Emacs Muse feels right @home, but feels like bending it with org
oxi
sachac: Yeah, but many things "can" be done with many tools, but are often http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pain_in_the_ass or can be done better with a specific tool. I actually don't want to know "Can Emacs do ____?", as I know the answer is "Yes, you can". I want to know what Emacs is "best" at and where other tools are better. VS for example is better for C#.
tensorpudding
there are things that emacs can't do, but most of them aren't in the realm of editing files
jordanb
oxi; I prefer to write documents in latex
Its output is vastly superior to that of word
oxi
jordanb: yep, me too if it's math.
dim
oxi: if your criteria for "better" includes "well integrated with my workflow" chances are really high than Emacs hackery is the best out there
jordanb
so I can't but consider emacs/latex to be much better at producing documents than word is
oxi
dim: ok, nice
tensorpudding
for example, emacs cannot understand natural language, it cannot interface with the Large Hadron Collider, and it can't prove the Goldbach conjecture
sockmonk
that second one sounds plausible though
tensorpudding
maybe
if the LHC had an API
sockmonk
:)
oxi
tensorpudding: heh!
dim
yeah emacs can interface with anything ready to accept talking to a computer
tensorpudding
it would be feasible to write an lhc.el
oxi
did you read about the LHC overheating because a bird dropped a piece of bread on it?
tensorpudding
it's feasible to rewrite emacs to accept a language that is similar to natural language
jordanb
M-x insert-baguette is the emergency shutoff command.
tensorpudding
but then it wouldn't be emacs
sockmonk
i heard about the bread, didn't hear they blamed the bread on a passing bird, just assumed it was someone's lunch
dim
tensorpudding: we leave you solving the halting problem, then we'll have a natural language plugin in elisp
jordanb
It was an african swallow
sachac
oxi: I often use Emacs for things that it may not be the best at, simply because it has the features I need and it integrates well with other things I use.
tensorpudding
i would say that emacs is a poor email client but i'm sure people here would disagree
sachac
oxi: For example, I use Emacs Gnus to process almost all my mail, and then I use Google Mail (Apps, really) to handle the rest.
jordanb
Seriously?
sachac
oxi: I do this because Gnus is integrated with my BBDB contacts, which makes it easy to take notes, and because there are small, handy little things I've scripted to make things even better for me.
oxi
sachac: yeah, that can make sense to use it for things even if it's not best at it, but you're fast doing it that way as you don't have to handle multiple tools
sachac
oxi: Exactly. The important thing is to find the balance and the mix of tools that works for you.
oxi
does anyone use Emacs for SQL stuff?
sockmonk
i've used sql-mode just for editing sql strings, but haven't gone beyond that yet
dim
(Action) is employed as a DBA these days
oxi
ok
jordanb
dim; :<
sockmonk
when I upgraded to snow leopard, I managed to get oracle server installed locally, so I'm hoping to use one of the oracle-sql modes once I find time to play with it
dim
jordanb: PostgreSQL DBA, and I *love* it
« prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 next »